The glory days are over - What do you think?

[pilotyip]

Bye Bye Prince don't let the door hit you in the butt

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

How many pilots do you know came back to work with a shotgun after getting fired? None? Well, there you have it, chicken de-boners love their jobs more than pilots.

How about a spear gun and a hammer?

 

[wrxpilot]

Right on Metro, you are singing my tune. I am teaching my grandson to fly and he elects to pursue a professional flying career like his father and grandfather, I will be most supportive and also recommend he not go to college full-time. I still feel this is a fantastic career. I work with too many people who love what they do. Perhaps that is because for many of them it is a second career and thy have something to compare it to

Actually, I think there's a large percentage of people here that have never worked a job outside of aviation. I often find it so funny how so many pilots here speak of these *grand jobs* outside of aviation just ripe for the picking. Be an Engineer and buy your own plane! The money is in nursing! Real estate is the way to go, my neighbor says so!!

A reality check is necessary. I work in the engineering field, and it sucks. It is a stable job with security, but it is not high paying (I make $60k/yr with 5 yrs experience, expect about 3-5% increase/year), and it is EXTREMELY boring. I've worked jobs from aerospace to power to accident reconstruction. There are some nice parts, but most of the time you're dealing with boring crap.

Now, there are some people out there that don't mind working up the ladder to management (and ok pay, around $100k/yr) and working 60/wk, taking work home, checking voice mails and emails on vacation, etc. Every so often they get a saturday or sunday to work on the lawn and play some golf, and they seem happy (outwardly, anyway).

Oddly enough many pilots here think the professional world involves a 2 hr lunch everyday, a 30 hr work week, and $200k/yr. I don't know where they get this crap, it is as bad as the BS you hear coming out of the big FL schools regarding flying for the airlines.

Do what makes you happy, whatever it is. Those are the only people satisfied in life from what I can tell. Chasing money will only disappoint.

 

[wrxpilot]

Double post - ignore

 

[FN FAL]

How about a spear gun and a hammer?

I forgot about that one.

:beer:

 

[pilotyip]

Wrx stop dealing in reality, this is a pilot board and it does not fit here.

 

[FN FAL]

Actually, I think there's a large percentage of people here that have never worked a job outside of aviation. I often find it so funny how so many pilots here speak of these *grand jobs* outside of aviation just ripe for the picking. Be an Engineer and buy your own plane! The money is in nursing! Real estate is the way to go, my neighbor says so!!

A reality check is necessary. I work in the engineering field, and it sucks. It is a stable job with security, but it is not high paying (I make $60k/yr with 5 yrs experience, expect about 3-5% increase/year), and it is EXTREMELY boring. I've worked jobs from aerospace to power to accident reconstruction. There are some nice parts, but most of the time you're dealing with boring crap.

Now, there are some people out there that don't mind working up the ladder to management (and ok pay, around $100k/yr) and working 60/wk, taking work home, checking voice mails and emails on vacation, etc. Every so often they get a saturday or sunday to work on the lawn and play some golf, and they seem happy (outwardly, anyway).

Oddly enough many pilots here think the professional world involves a 2 hr lunch everyday, a 30 hr work week, and $200k/yr. I don't know where they get this crap, it is as bad as the BS you hear coming out of the big FL schools regarding flying for the airlines.

Do what makes you happy, whatever it is. Those are the only people satisfied in life from what I can tell. Chasing money will only disappoint.

The grass is always greener on the other side.

One thing's for sure, you work your fingers to the bone and then you get boney fingers.

 

[PurpleInMEM]

Actually, I think there's a large percentage of people here that have never worked a job outside of aviation. I often find it so funny how so many pilots here speak of these *grand jobs* outside of aviation just ripe for the picking. Be an Engineer and buy your own plane! The money is in nursing! Real estate is the way to go, my neighbor says so!!

A reality check is necessary. I work in the engineering field, and it sucks. It is a stable job with security, but it is not high paying (I make $60k/yr with 5 yrs experience, expect about 3-5% increase/year), and it is EXTREMELY boring. I've worked jobs from aerospace to power to accident reconstruction. There are some nice parts, but most of the time you're dealing with boring crap.

Now, there are some people out there that don't mind working up the ladder to management (and ok pay, around $100k/yr) and working 60/wk, taking work home, checking voice mails and emails on vacation, etc. Every so often they get a saturday or sunday to work on the lawn and play some golf, and they seem happy (outwardly, anyway).

Oddly enough many pilots here think the professional world involves a 2 hr lunch everyday, a 30 hr work week, and $200k/yr. I don't know where they get this crap, it is as bad as the BS you hear coming out of the big FL schools regarding flying for the airlines.

Do what makes you happy, whatever it is. Those are the only people satisfied in life from what I can tell. Chasing money will only disappoint.

Sounds great, except what makes me happy is to be not working. I do this because it's the only thing I know how to do. I don't have the skills to do anything else nor the inclination to learn. Flying is work, nothing more. Certainly no reason to glorify what we do. It isn't fun and it isn't really worth it, whether the money is good or not. Gone all the time, missing things at home, broke airplanes, bad hotels, etc. I have yet to find the upside to this flying game, except those rare occasions when I get bumped from trips or the trip cancels.

I need to find me a sugar momma where my most productive act would be reading the morning paper, but even that sounds like work.

 

[pilotyip]

purpleinMEM, too bad you don't like to fly, other wise you would be the envy of this board, top job in the industry, and doing something you love. I guess I am better off than you, I can't wait to go to work in the morning, and I get paid to do it. BTW you are also lucky because according to Capt Mark you guys only work live flight time about 250 hrs per year. You could quit?

 

[JohnDoe]

quote:
"Oddly enough many pilots here think the professional world involves a 2 hr lunch everyday, a 30 hr work week, and $200k/yr. I don't know where they get this crap, it is as bad as the BS you hear coming out of the big FL schools regarding flying for the airlines."


Gotta call BS on this one. I have yet to see anybody here say anything close to that.

 

[wrxpilot]

quote:
"Oddly enough many pilots here think the professional world involves a 2 hr lunch everyday, a 30 hr work week, and $200k/yr. I don't know where they get this crap, it is as bad as the BS you hear coming out of the big FL schools regarding flying for the airlines."


Gotta call BS on this one. I have yet to see anybody here say anything close to that.

I exaggerated a little bit, but not much. This kind of attitude - the everybody outside of aviation is better off one - comes up all the time. Just check out the nursing thread, or anyone of the other similar threads. All the time some person is lamenting how they miss being home, wish they would've gone into nursing/engineering/law/ditch digging or whatever. It's ridiculous. There is no magic job out there from what I've seen. You just have to do what you like and also have a life outside of work.

PurpleInMEM doesn't even want to work at all, so how's he ever going to be happy doing anything (besides winning the lottery)?

 

[wrxpilot]

quote:
"Oddly enough many pilots here think the professional world involves a 2 hr lunch everyday, a 30 hr work week, and $200k/yr. I don't know where they get this crap, it is as bad as the BS you hear coming out of the big FL schools regarding flying for the airlines."


Gotta call BS on this one. I have yet to see anybody here say anything close to that.

Argh, double post again. Sorry.

 

[Way2Broke]

quote:
"Oddly enough many pilots here think the professional world involves a 2 hr lunch everyday, a 30 hr work week, and $200k/yr. I don't know where they get this crap, it is as bad as the BS you hear coming out of the big FL schools regarding flying for the airlines."


Gotta call BS on this one. I have yet to see anybody here say anything close to that.

I'll say it. I know some professionals (Not all of them) that make great money and really don't seem to do diddly squat. Realitors, Mortgage Brokers, Lawyers, etc. etc. While SOME of them worked their butts off in school to get there others really just fell into it. I for one continue to be WAY2BROKE. I know of more than one pilot currently LIVING IN A TENT or RV, or worse AT HOME (Thank god I found a hot sugar momma!). What other profession would someone go through all the steps to become a part of to be rewarded with 18k a year or less? NAME ME ONE that requires an education of any type that pays anywhere close to that (And I'm not talking SEARS TIRE COLLEGE, or SUBWAY'S SANDWICH ARTIST's ART SCHOOL)? Lucky for me I love to fly, and did not get into this for the money. I was also luck enough to have a good mentor that did not sugar coat things from the start. I knew what I was getting into, but nothing prepared me for how bad it actually can be if YOU LET IT. Moral of the store, don't whore yourself out. If you do you'll just get treated like a whore, and make it more difficult for the next guy or gal to survive.

And as for the article, it may seem a bit extreme but it has to be to help counteract all the fancy 2 page glossy ads for all the ab intro flight schools. You have to fight fire with fire! Delta Conection Academy, Riddle, PanAm, type schools employee some top dollar experts in the advertising field, its about time someone said something in one of these magazines besides this is the best thing since sliced bread. (advertising execs, another example of a caerer that pays well and has some people in it that have never worked a day in their life)

Whoo... Sorry I didn't mean to start on a rant like that. But there you have it! Someone had to bite, figured I'd play devil's advocate! Sorry for hijacking the thread too. I'm sure I probably offended some people with this post, but it is my opinion. Take it as just that, AN OPINION. Oh and one more thing, I am not saying that pilots are the hardest working people in the world either. I'm just saying that they put up with more crap for less, but I blame the pilots (and the unions) for that. We are all in this together and if we acted like that more often alot of things that people complain about would get better real quick!

 

[wrxpilot]

And as for the article, it may seem a bit extreme but it has to be to help counteract all the fancy 2 page glossy ads for all the ab intro flight schools. You have to fight fire with fire! Delta Conection Academy, Riddle, PanAm, type schools employee some top dollar experts in the advertising field, its about time someone said something in one of these magazines besides this is the best thing since sliced bread. (advertising execs, another example of a caerer that pays well and has some people in it that have never worked a day in their life)

W2B,

My mentor/CFI/family member has also been great about not glossing over the decline in quality and potentially tough life of aviation. And he has what would probably be considered to be a "dream job" in aviation. So I certainly don't have any qualms with what you're saying and agree that Barry Schiff's article provided good balance to the glossy SJS ads.

I'm not saying there aren't some professionals out there with a great QOL and pay either. There's some in aviation too. But there's crappy situations in both worlds. I hope I maintain your realistic but enjoyable outlook as I progress!

 

[Lear Wanna Be]

How about a spear gun and a hammer?

Yeah, that is what I was thinking. I assume you refer to that Flying Tiger/FedEx guy that went psycho because he was about to get fired. That event could have been the postal of all postals if it were not for the desire to live of the guys up front.

Wrxpilot and pilotyip, I am with you guys. Being a pilot is certainly not a bad job. It does seem that so many people talk about other great careers, but when it comes down to it, they are not without their own pros and cons. Also, it is kind of like how people that are not in aviation talk about pilots who make $400K a year. How many of those guys do you know? People just talk about the high end elite few and run with it. Besides, I don't ever have to take work home with me. Yeah, I might study up for a 6 month check, new systems, or something on my own time, but I could just as well find time to do that on a layover. I mean, when is the last time you ever heard of a pilot being referred to as a workaholic?

Then you get the recent thread about Pinnacle Air Services (135 company). How the Captains are making $80K a year when it is all said and done and they are working a 15/15 schedule. They all think the pay is too low. Perhaps it is, get what you can get guys. All I know is that I bust my hump flying 900+ hours a year in something non-turbine non-pressurized for just a little more than that. All I get to see is beautiful places like Detroit City, Willow Run, Kansas City, El Paso, Laredo, and a few other unmentionables. Sure would be nice to get a trip to Aspen, Vegas, Naples, or the Bahamas. It would also be nice to get 2 weeks vacation a month like those guys.

Moral of the story, life is not that bad. Unless you are driving an RJ for the other Pinnacle.

 

[Rob P.]

I laugh in frustration whenever I read things like this. People crying because they can't seem to do anything but barely survive on a $30K/yr salary. What a JOKE!

There are people out there raising families on less than HALF that and you don't see them moaning and groaning about how terrible their employment fields are. Engineering jobs that "only pay" $60K? Get real folks.

I grew up in a household of 3 kids that never earned more than 12 thousand per year in GROSS income. I survived and learned the value of a dollar. and it wasn't all that long ago either.

Seems to me most people these days don't even know the cost of a gallon of milk let alone how to save a buck or 2. Instead they only know how to complain that they didn't start off mega rich and then get paid on top of that.

 

[mcjohn]

And as for the article, it may seem a bit extreme but it has to be to help counteract all the fancy 2 page glossy ads for all the ab intro flight schools. You have to fight fire with fire! Delta Conection Academy, Riddle, PanAm, type schools employee some top dollar experts in the advertising field, its about time someone said something in one of these magazines besides this is the best thing since sliced bread. (advertising execs, another example of a caerer that pays well and has some people in it that have never worked a day in their life)

Well put. Reminds to me bump my thread in the training section.

 

[wrxpilot]

Engineering jobs that "only pay" $60K? Get real folks.

You're taking what I said about engineering out of context. The salary quoted was meant as a comparison to the fantasy $150k jobs that are talked about here as if it was the norm. I also came from humble beginnings and paid every dime for my education and living expenses since I was 17. Trust me, I'm very thankful to receive the salary that I do.

 

[lowtimedriver]

The glory days are just starting. It's all a matter of perspective. When I first entered my profession twenty years ago, I think I made $20,000.00 my first year. Twenty years later you can add another zero to this amount. Do your time, do not tire, never give up and most importantly, keep a positive mental attitude.

 

[GogglesPisano]

I grew up in a household of 3 kids that never earned more than 12 thousand per year in GROSS income. I survived and learned the value of a dollar. and it wasn't all that long ago either.

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Sorry, I just don't buy that. Was there gov't assistance involved? Do you fly airplanes for a living now and how did you finance your flight training?

If people want to fly for a living I'm all for it, as long as they realize there's a good chance they will be lower-middle class for a good portion of their lives, when their vollege roomates are buying their second homes and SUV's.