The FLOPS axe is falling

[RawData]

Divide the Force

Management attempt to divide the pilot group from the "haves and losing" and the new hire "have nots"

 

[Grim Reaper]

New Hires!! Only 9 and that was last August. Of Course, I know you mean in the future. Question is just how far in the future? That can also be taken to mean if there is a future for Flight Options.

I suspect that the company wants to reduce the number of pilots to that required to crew 140 acft or so. Current pilot force number is very close to only 900 and dropping. There are guys who realize a 12 number jump in seniority with each update of the seniority list.

There are a bunch of Beechjet IOE's under way. The C-2 and C-5 acft are gone for the most part and the C-3 is not far behind. Seeing more and more guys from the 800A flying the XP. Things are changing rapidly.

Union Vote. Not real soon. At least not soon enough to stop current management initiatives set for completion by 1 July. Does not bode well for the first MEC. By the way, with so many pilots leaving and without a confirmed seniority list with address, how will a union vote ever happen?

So does management care if a pilot quits? NO!! Does management care if they lose a pilot per day in Feb? NO! Get them closer to the number needed to crew the expected fleet size and helps prevent a union for making its way in before management can reshape the battle area.

 

[guido411]

Just curious, where does the 140 a/c number come from? MS said in the January meeting that fleet size was to remain about the same "around 200". You guys hear otherwise?

 

[Heavy Set]

What's happening with the GIVs, 601s and F50s? Are they starting to be phased out (obviously after owners' defined usage period) and are those pilots training on the Legacy and Xs? How many total Legacies are on order or are expected?

 

[Ty Webb]

Whatever happened to Chris Sk. . . (Hawker Fleet MGR)? He interviewed me back in 1999. I thought he was a stand-up guy. I ended up taking another job instead, but I had a good impression of the company.

 

[ProFracPilot]

Whatever happened to Chris Sk. . . (Hawker Fleet MGR)? He interviewed me back in 1999. I thought he was a stand-up guy.

Chris is indeed a stand-up guy. He had a great opportunity present itself and left the company several years ago. He's flying for a corporate operator in NE Ohio, and doing well.

 

[Ty Webb]

Glad to hear it. Best of luck to all of you guys there. I haven't seen many jumpseaters lately, but you guys are always welcome on Citrus-type aircraft. . . .

 

[learflyer]

Hey, Ty, You think that Airtran will ever get rid of that "121" time requirement?

 

[Ty Webb]

Hey, Ty, You think that Airtran will ever get rid of that "121" time requirement?

I am sure that eventually they will, especially if furloughees get recalled and take it. Right now, it looks like the upgrade can drift back down to 2 years, and they think that former 121 PIC's have an easier time with the quick CA upgrade.

Recently, though, a number of us upgraded, and with no previous 121 PIC time, perhaps having more CA with a 91/135 background will make it more obvious that iot's the pilot, not the 121 background, that makes the difference.

 

[FISHINGOR]

FLOPS wants everyone to live in Tier 1 cities and spent more money on air fares. If NY's can drive to PHL and save money maybe FLOPS should look at Tier 2 or 3 airport as a savings.

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[Tommy Boy]

Well not so fast Grim Reaper... they sent too many too quick. Most of the citation owners said no way to bbj and hawker. So now there are at least 7 c-3 still gonna be flying....all the c-5 are still flying (all 6, but they were never going to get rid of those) and several of the c-2 are gonna stay as well.....and they are short crews now as well......

 

[longrangekiller]

The methods used to determine and communicate the recently announced changes to Flight Options pilot management policy are an example of BAD LEADERSHIP.

 

[XShipRider]

Deja Vu

The methods used to determine and communicate the recently announced changes to Flight Options pilot management policy are an example of BAD LEADERSHIP.

This reminds me of why I left the company in the first place.

 

[Dr. B]

Wait for me!

Where did you go? Take me with you

 

[Voice Of Reason]

This reminds me of why I left the company in the first place.

Bingo! We have a sensible person!