The Evil of PFT......

[The_Russian]

think about it.....

Whould it be any different if I laid down $23,940 at Ari-Ben to build worthless Dutchess time?

NO

We all refer to GIA as PFT but it is not. PFT is when you buy a PERMANENT JOB with a commercial carrier. Nobody at GIA buys a job because it is a TRAINING PROGRAM to build 250 hrs. After completion of the 250 hrs they are not guaranteed a job at ANY airline. However, the GIA pilots are very, very, very, marketable. Most of my students from there are flying a jet now.

And no pilot at GIA is "turned out" unless they pass an airline checkride. A real checkride. I know, I'm there, I see it everyday. I dont get my info from FAQ's or opinions on GIA.

 

[The_Russian]

Geeeeezzzzz

Just went back and read the last 2 pages of replys!

I think all of you have gone straight up nuts.....YIKES!!!

Airline Training or CFI??

Make your choice. I did both.

 

[scoot]

My Dear Commie Friend,

Thank you. You put it well. Since I got to Gulfstream, 12/02, I know that well over 50% of the students who completed their 250 hours of B-1900 time have gotten hired with different airlines. I sound like a recruiter, but it was the key for me to get that important 121 turbine experience, and a job. I came in, like many others, already experienced. Instructor, all night bank checks, small package freight, commuter, and charter type work for four years. I don't think I stole anyone's job do you? There were a lot of good hard working pilots at Gulfstream that I would stack against any in the field.

I have to quit getting on this board 'cause it just spins around in my head, and for what, or for who? People that talk about things that they haven't experienced, and take it as fact?

Gulfstream isn't perfect, but I wouldn't want to have to run an airline that has to replace the FOs every 250 hours. Tom Cooper is doing a great service to the industry.

If you do the math, you get 250 hrs. of B-1900D time for about $76 an hour. Money well spent if you are commited to an airline career. Also, to me, people who are willing to invest $25,000 in their training show more commitment than those who aren't.

Y'all let usin's be!

 

[bobbysamd]

Job or not?

We all refer to GIA as PFT but it is not. PFT is when you buy a PERMANENT JOB with a commercial carrier.

Is Gulfstream not a commercial carrier? They represent themselves as a Part 121 operation and a Continental Connection airline. That sounds very "commercial" to me.

Are payroll taxes deducted from your paychecks? Are Social Security taxes withheld from your paychecks? Does a W-2 issue for your wages? If the answer to any of the above is "yes," then Gulfstream is a job, for which you paid, and is therefore P-F-T. Under ordinary circumstances, there would a hiring process and pilots would be hired, and paid, to fill those FO seats. It makes no difference if it is temporary.

 

[The_Russian]

Bobby, you may be able to spell, but you cant read man.

 

[bobbysamd]

Gulfstream "employment"

Bobby, you may be able to spell, but you cant read man.

That is spelled "can't."

Where's your response to my post above? I see, you don't have a response . . . . .

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

Re: Re: P-F-T

Sorry but a less qualified person who pays for the job (PFT) is no different than someone with a connection on the inside and gets hired ahead of more qualified people because they have a magic LOR.

What a load of $hit.

 

[duksrule]

Using Bobby's analogy about PFT. Would you not be angry if someone cut in line in front of you at the bank after you have waited in line? That is what PFTers are doing.( or something like this is what he said )

Well would you not be just as angry if the teller came out from behind the counter and waited on the last guy in line because a friend of hers told her he was a great guy?


I don't personally care how anyone gets to where they are going. Sometimes the ends do justify the means. However if you hate PFTers because you feel they are cutting in line in front of you, then you need to hate the people who have their resume walked in because they are in fact cutting the line too. PFT or not everyone passes the same tests and has the same license. That is not to say that every PFTer is a great pilot but I am sure that if you look you can find some 2000 hour CFIs that aren't that great of a pilot either.

Funny that there are a handful of people on this board who think PFT is just the most evil thing on earth. Could it be that someone ponyed up the cash and passed these individuals somewhere in life?

 

[ILStoMinimums]

Why don't all the individuals who decide to PFT make a different choice and go to Comair Acadamy, which is not PFT. They would pay the 20K+ (I'm guessing) and then have a possible slot in the RJ once they meet the mins?

 

[The_Russian]

Originally posted by Duksrule

I don't personally care how anyone gets to where they are going. Sometimes the ends do justify the means. However if you hate PFTers because you feel they are cutting in line in front of you, then you need to hate the people who have their resume walked in because they are in fact cutting the line too. PFT or not everyone passes the same tests and has the same license. That is not to say that every PFTer is a great pilot but I am sure that if you look you can find some 2000 hour CFIs that aren't that great of a pilot either.

I agree. Especially that last line. I have met pilots with thousands of hours that could not fly near as good as 500 hour pilots I know.

 

[1.3XVso]

Why don't all the individuals who decide to PFT make a different choice and go to Comair Acadamy, which is not PFT. They would pay the 20K+ (I'm guessing) and then have a possible slot in the RJ once they meet the mins?

CON-U-AIR is a DUMP!!

 

[ILStoMinimums]

CON-U-AIR is a DUMP!!

What exactly do you mean?