The DL TA

[jetfo]

And I'll continue to give mine as well MUNCH!!!!

Get used to it breath.

Don't like it? Ignore me.

Can't, can't, can't we just all get along?!?

Hey General, why didn't you repond to the idea of brand scope in previous posts?

 

[LanceAir]

So.....aside from this stimulating "debate".....has any info about the TA been released yet?

 

[Hobit]

Oh SNAP!!! Did GL get banned for something?
What happended?

 

[~~~^~~~]

Roar 44 has a section in the back of their publication where pilots can post gripes, and there have been numerous "gripes" about ASA now going below DL employees on DL aircraft. I don't see what the issue is, you are NO longer a wholly owned subsidiary!
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So that makes it OK for my union dues to be used for the publication of persuasive arguements to take away my pay and working conditions? Pass benefits are benefits, which I view as part of my lousy compensation. Do you think ALPA would allow ASA's MEC to use contingency funds to slam the Delta pilots? Not just no, but hel1 no. If we dared to do such a thing the phone would ring with Herndon on the other line with threats to throw us into recievership.

And the issue is, Delta agreed to the deal and has even collected money for it. We perform the codeshare and our employees have had the right to enjoy pass benefits on DL code. They can not re-rig the system just because pilots decide that this is yet another issue where they can be superior to the guys who feed passengers into their airplanes.

Besides, there are just a mere handful of ASA employees that are senior to you and they rarely go anywhere. Like most of us, they dream about staying home on their days off. So I don't see what the issue is.

And - just because your MEC tried and was not sucessful at getting our pass benefits gutted does not mean that they never made the effort. Lets see how effective they were when this TA comes out....

 

[~~~^~~~]

Hey General, why didn't you repond to the idea of brand scope in previous posts?

He has. His position is the Delta pilots own all the brand and all the scope. ASA and Comair pilots serve at his MEC's pleasure the flying that they do not want to perform. What flying he wants to perform changes from day to day and if he gets shiny jet syndrome (he likes the E170 to 195) then the guys currently perfoming similar flying can just go find other better jobs.

Then he wonders why these guys who serve at his pleasure can't get better contracts. But all is well in the world when ASA and Comair flying goes to places like Chautauqua and Mesa because the Chautauqua and Mesa pilots have not been such a pain in his arse about demanding their representational rights from ALPA. The Chautaqua and Mesa guys just take their two year upgrades and say "Thanks General!" He likes recognition that he is the supreme being amongst other pilots who have "failed to get hired" at his airline.

 

[John Pennekamp]

General Lee, PLEASE vote no! STRIKE!!!

Lyin' LeBreque has been running around telling everyone that "ASA will be shut down for a couple of days at most". That's what he told our MEC.

Apparently, after you "strike" and DAL Inc. liquidates Delta Airlines, there will be no struck work. An RJ will fly to every city you used to serve until DAL Inc can start up a new LCC to serve your routes, or they are sold to another airline. Like United. Either way, feed will always be needed in ATL.

Really, there is debate whether you will be striking or quitting, since the NMB hasn't released you. The airlines are pretty sure you will be quitting. That also means no struck work.

So go ahead, shoot down the TA and thin the herd. We won't shed a tear. If you walk off the job and kill Delta airlines, the vacuum will be filled in weeks, not months.

And none of you will even get the coveted job at Home Depot since no one will want to hire someone who "starved their grandchildren" by killing Delta Airlines out of their own selfish greed and ego. You might have to mortgage that redneck Humvee golf cart you have.

 

[737 Pylt]

So that makes it OK for my union dues to be used for the publication of persuasive arguements to take away my pay and working conditions?

I don't know....Does it make it ok for my union dues to be used for the publising of rjdc updates on the ALPA national site for persuasive arguments to take away my money paid towards keeping my union in business??

Pass benefits are benefits, which I view as part of my lousy compensation. Do you think ALPA would allow ASA's MEC to use contingency funds to slam the Delta pilots? Not just no, but hel1 no. If we dared to do such a thing the phone would ring with Herndon on the other line with threats to throw us into recievership.

That's where you're wrong....You see, your rjdc is constatnly using the ALPA web board to post their vitrol ad nauseum!!! And I have yet to see where they have had one post removed by your pal JB or DF!

And the issue is, Delta agreed to the deal and has even collected money for it. We perform the codeshare and our employees have had the right to enjoy pass benefits on DL code. They can not re-rig the system just because pilots decide that this is yet another issue where they can be superior to the guys who feed passengers into their airplanes.

Again, that's where you DON"T get it....It is a privilege! You even said it. And again, you are no longer a WHOLLY owned subsidiary...Why is that so difficult for you to comprehend...You wanted away from this disfunctional family, and you got it. Now you go on the same priority as CHQ and Mesa and all the other non wholly owned feeders. You still have your privileges!

Besides, there are just a mere handful of ASA employees that are senior to you and they rarely go anywhere. Like most of us, they dream about staying home on their days off. So I don't see what the issue is.

Then why are you crying the loudest about it??

And - just because your MEC tried and was not sucessful at getting our pass benefits gutted does not mean that they never made the effort. Lets see how effective they were when this TA comes out....

Don't worry pal, that dog fight isn't over yet....I can assure you. Now go and take your place rightfully at the end of the line and quit your whining....It will be hysterical when some newbie at CHQ comes and bumps you out of a non rev seat!! Besides, shouldn't you be working on an industry update now??
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Maybe when the pass issue is resolved, you can start yet another lawsuit!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Don't worry pal, that dog fight isn't over yet....I can assure you. Now go and take your place rightfully at the end of the line and quit your whining....It will be hysterical when some newbie at CHQ comes and bumps you out of a non rev seat!! Besides, shouldn't you be working on an industry update now??
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Maybe when the pass issue is resolved, you can start yet another lawsuit!

Are you for real? Let me get this straight... you're hoping that ASA pass benefits are taken away? Why? What does it cost you?

And you expect us to support you in your labor dispute with DAL management?

I guess I could tell you in response "Now go and take your pay cut and quit your whining... I'll look real good in your 737 if you don't".

 

[737 Pylt]

Are you for real? Let me get this straight... you're hoping that ASA pass benefits are taken away? Why? What does it cost you

Re read the post John...I don't wish anyone's pass benefits taken away...ASA is no longer a wholly owned, their STATUS should now be BELOW DL mainline employees on MAINLINE flights, just as DL employees should go below ASA employees on ASA flights. They are no longer wholly owned.

And you expect us to support you in your labor dispute with DAL management?

You don't have to do anything you don't want to, that's what makes this country so great!

I guess I could tell you in response "Now go and take your pay cut and quit your whining... I'll look real good in your 737 if you don't".

It wouldn't surprise me, there are plenty of folks waiting to fly a 737 for lesser pay, just ask d'angelo! Besides, I don't fly the 737 any more.
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[~~~^~~~]

That's where you're wrong....You see, your rjdc is constatnly using the ALPA web board to post their vitrol ad nauseum!!! And I have yet to see where they have had one post removed by your pal JB or DF!

Maybe when the pass issue is resolved, you can start yet another lawsuit!

Dan Ford is trying to fix what is wrong with ALPA - so our careers are not harmed by just the sort of activity going on at Mesaba and COEX. ALPA needs fixing, even you agree on that point. New ideas and dissent are how things get fixed - so arguing union business on a union board is appropriate use of those resources.

I don't even look at the ALPA board since a few Delta pilots (including a status rep) started sending me e-mail threats about IRS audits and the well being of my family while I was out of town. Given that the origin of these e-mails was easy to determine, the whole incident did not worry me too much. But, no one has time for personal attacks. ALPA is what needs repair and individuals are not the issue, the conduct of our union is the issue.

I have no desire to fly 737's, particularly your 737's. For starters, I earn more money where I am at right now. Second, if I was interested in 737's I would be knocking on Airtran's doors, not yours.

 

[N2264J]

I don't even look at the ALPA board since a few Delta pilots (including a status rep) started sending me e-mail threats about IRS audits and the well being of my family while I was out of town.

How do you account for this behavior from Delta pilots including elected reps if the lawsuit has no merit? Why would the thugs expose themselves so recklessly and unnecessarily if the litigation they despise so much were going nowhere? You can cut the contempt with a knife on this board egged on by impostor posters like "RJDC_" and "RJDC."

Why does the Duty of Fair Representation frighten and disturb union members so much? Answer: the "powers that be" feel like they have something to lose. Result: the entire concept of union is corrupted into the "haves" and "have nots." Counter intuitive, no?

Sorry to hear about your brush with the amature, punk intimidation. You know, ALPA has a code of ethics for pilot members. Has something to do with high moral character and personal attributes above reproach.

 

[screwed_again]

Why does the General Lee post this on the regional board????? I think its time for the "General Lee is the biggest TOOL" hijack.

 

[SkyWench]

here here, leave the general alone.

 

[737 Pylt]

Dan Ford is trying to fix what is wrong with ALPA - so our careers are not harmed by just the sort of activity going on at Mesaba and COEX. ALPA needs fixing, even you agree on that point. New ideas and dissent are how things get fixed - so arguing union business on a union board is appropriate use of those resources.

Is this how Dan is trying to fix ALPA....From your own website:

h. as to the claims set forth in Count VIII, such sum as may be determined
at trial, but in no event less than the sum of Two Million Dollars
($2,000,000.00) each.

i. as to the claims set forth in Count IX,
such sum as may be determined at trial, but in no event less than Two
Million ($2,000,000.00) Dollars each.

j. as to the claims set forth in Count X,
such sum as may be determined at trial, but in no event less than Two
Million Dollars ($2,000,000.00) Dollars each, plus the cumulative sum of One
Hundred Million ($100,000,000.00) as exemplary and punitive damages.

k. as to the claims set forth in Count XI, such sum as may be determined at
trial, but in no event less than Two Million ($2,000,000.00) each.

l. as to the claims set forth in Count XII, such sum as may be determined at
trial, but in no event less than Two Million ($2,000,000.00) Dollars each.

m. as to the claims set forth in Count XIII,
such sum as may be determined at trial, but in no event less than Two
Million ($2,000,000.00) Dollars each.

I don't even look at the ALPA board since a few Delta pilots (including a status rep) started sending me e-mail threats about IRS audits and the well being of my family while I was out of town. Given that the origin of these e-mails was easy to determine, the whole incident did not worry me too much. But, no one has time for personal attacks. ALPA is what needs repair and individuals are not the issue, the conduct of our union is the issue.

There you go again....Avoiding the topic....You didn't answer the question. Does it make it right for my dues money to go towards your frivilous lawsuit??
I'll time you with a calander!

I have no desire to fly 737's, particularly your 737's. For starters, I earn more money where I am at right now. Second, if I was interested in 737's I would be knocking on Airtran's doors, not yours.

Fins:
Isn't it true the rjdc's membership is filled with the "undesirables" in aviation. This suit was filed long before 9/11. Most of your members have no college education, and some have dui's. They couldn't get hired at a major during the boom of the late 1990's and your leadership promised you'd all be millionaires and flying 777's. Its sad and pathetic, but we've learned to expect that from you and all your pals there!
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[737 Pylt]

How do you account for this behavior from Delta pilots including elected reps if the lawsuit has no merit? Why would the thugs expose themselves so recklessly and unnecessarily if the litigation they despise so much were going nowhere? You can cut the contempt with a knife on this board egged on by impostor posters like "RJDC_" and "RJDC."

N:
There's no excuse for behavior like that. I would condone it as well. That being said, the nature of your pal fins' posts, being caught in more lies, I'd have to go with the idea that he's lying again. No surprise there, but how else do you justify what he believes in.

Why does the Duty of Fair Representation frighten and disturb union members so much? Answer: the "powers that be" feel like they have something to lose. Result: the entire concept of union is corrupted into the "haves" and "have nots." Counter intuitive, no?

N:
This is where you and I both agree. There are some major problems at the national level, again, that being said, the rjdc is NOT the answer, as all I see out of this suit is GREED by its membership!

Sorry to hear about your brush with the amature, punk intimidation. You know, ALPA has a code of ethics for pilot members. Has something to do with high moral character and personal attributes above reproach.

Again, fins has proven time and time again to make up stories and lies. This is just another one to throw into his folder of the "hatred of the DL pilots."
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[DrunkIrishman]

737 Plt-

Integrity check. Since ASA is not a wholly-owned, we should lose our S2/3 status and go below all DAL employees. Then it should also be acceptable for all DAL employees to go below all ASA employees on all ASA flights.

If you agree, then I respect your integrity. If you believe that they are all DAL seats and DAL should have priority regardless of who operates them, then you are selfish and somewhat hippocritical. What say you?

 

[737 Pylt]

737 Plt-

Integrity check. Since ASA is not a wholly-owned, we should lose our S2/3 status and go below all DAL employees. Then it should also be acceptable for all DAL employees to go below all ASA employees on all ASA flights.

I agree 100% NO DL employee should have pass priority on ANY ASA flight above ANY ASA employee!

If you agree, then I respect your integrity. If you believe that they are all DAL seats and DAL should have priority regardless of who operates them, then you are selfish and somewhat hippocritical. What say you?

Negative ghostrider.....I firmly believe and will make my case that ALL DL MAINLINE flights should be DL mainline employees first, while NO DL employee should go above ANY ASA employee on ANY ASA flight, regardless of what code they are flying for!
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[PBRstreetgang]

Willful ignorance General. There wasn't any growth on the table at the time. The vote was about 75% yes though, but hey 25% will say no to just about anything. Maybe that 25% did see the writing on the wall, but if they did they had a far better crystal ball than most these days. More likely the made a stand on principle not knowing any better than the rest of us what the future held.

Jon,
I voted NO, on principal and on vision. It is almost impossible to get anything in writing changed, unless the company wants to, I repeatedly told this to anyone who would or wouldn't listen. Why would they elect to increase their operating costs, common sense would dictate they wouldn't, the company is run by bean counters. My argument all along, it's easy to play poker with people who can't see the cards because of the blindfold, and they are dealing all the cards. Without a crystal ball, one must make decisions on based upon track record, and available information, thats what I did, hence the NO vote, based upon basic common sense.
PBR

 

[DrunkIrishman]

737Pilot-

That is what I said. I commend you for your integrity, as I agree that ASA has priority on ASA flights and DAL on DAL flights. It will be unfortunate for mainliners that commute out of ASA cities.

 

[737 Pylt]

737Pilot-

That is what I said. I commend you for your integrity, as I agree that ASA has priority on ASA flights and DAL on DAL flights. It will be unfortunate for mainliners that commute out of ASA cities.

I agree.....Remember the old saying, be careful what you wish for!
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