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MONKEY said:I along with about 75% of the people on this board can't stand your attitude. You have been saying for some time that there will be no movement on scope. Now you are saying probably no movement. It's your attitude that everyone hates. As for me, I couldn't care less if scope is loosened or not. But be a man, stand by what you have been saying for months. If scope is loosened, you slink away in shame and never post again. If it is not loosened then I go away. Either way you are rid of me for good. Problem is, you know deep down inside that it will be loosened, that's why you won't agree to my proposal. I'm sure you will try to make light of this post and play it off like a joke, but I'm serious. You talk a big game, now it's time to back it up, or you will be seen as a loser with a big mouth but nothing to back it.
surplus1 said:Your rhetoric is interesting but your $.02 doesn't happen to agree with the facts.
At any regional, a CRJ-900 would be the most senior airplane. It would expectedy be flown by the most senior captains. All of those would probably have at least or more than 12 years with the company; probably more. The regional rates do NOT cap at 12 years.
Pathetic pay rates. All Negotiated by their RESPECTIVE MEC.....Nothing gets approved without the MEC of that particular airline!The 12 yr rates are:
Rep = $92 (E-190) Mesa = $82.00 (CRJ-900), SKYW (who flys it for 50-seat pay) $78
The other "regionals" all fly the CRJ-700 or E-170. Their 12 yr rates are
ASA $86 (CRJ-700); REP $84 (E-170), PSA $80 (CRJ-700); CMR $79, (CRJ-700);
Two "majors" have rates for the E-190 but only one of them actually has the airplane. In any case, it would be the most junior airplane with captains with about only 3 yrs. seniority (all of which are now FO's or could turn out to be new hires at 1st yr. pay rate).
The captain's 12-yr cap rate for the E-190 at USAirways (which has zero) is $95. At JetBlue it is $89. Delta pilots proposed to fly it for an amount slightly more than JetBlue but less than USAirways.
Maybe, maybe not....I think you are having a difficult time understanding that mainline growth means growth for the feeders as well. If all the growth is only at the regional/feeder level, how much growth before it caps out?!The 3-yr rate at JetBlue is $74. At USAirways it is $82.
Keep in mind that if you move from a regional to one of those "majors" you will be moving as an FO, not as a captain. If you get hired off the street as a captain, the 1st yr rate is $71 at JetBlue and $79 at USAirways. Only a babe in the woods would give up his longevity and senior and become furlough fodder for that.
I can't argue with that fact....Our objective is to get the aircraft on the property and then negotiate a BETTER pay rate down the line. JB does not have that option as they do NOT have a union.Since the rates at JetBlue and USAirways (and the proposed DAL) are all the maximum rate for a 100-seat airplane (not for a 76 or 79 seat airplane) I simply is NOT TRUE that the "majors" would be paying more for the same airplane. In fact they are paying LESS!
I see you don't mention CMR and thier promise of new aircraft for concessions in all that.....The race to the bottom has been won, but the victor is not MESA or any other regional. It is JetBlue, Delta and USAirways (I don't know what NWA new rates are for that equipment).
See the above statement re: growth at mainline vs. regional/feeders..If you want to move to a "major" to fly the same airplane for less money, that's fine with me. If the Delta pilots want to destroy their company over that, that's fine with me too.
Again, why is it you fail to mention CMR and their concessions to get new aircraft. Didn't you guys screw over your ASA brethren by doing that??However, I'm a little tired of the BS about regional's lowering the bar for the majors. The fact is that the majors are the ones who have forced the regionals to lower their wages. The first to do it was USAirways. Followed by JetBlue and offered (I have no idea of what's in their TA) by Delta.
The bar isn't lower because of regional pilots. It is lower because of ALPA policies, all of which were put in place and maintained by major airline pilots.
Call a spade a spade and stop drinking Kool Aid.
737 Pylt said:Pathetic pay rates. All Negotiated by their RESPECTIVE MEC.....Nothing gets approved without the MEC of that particular airline!
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SkyWest does not fly any 90 seaters. Mostly 50's and 66's with a few 70's.737 Pylt said:How about the fact that SKY is flying 90 seat aircraft for 50 seat wages???
MONKEY said:I along with about 75% of the people on this board can't stand your attitude. You have been saying for some time that there will be no movement on scope. Now you are saying probably no movement. It's your attitude that everyone hates. As for me, I couldn't care less if scope is loosened or not. But be a man, stand by what you have been saying for months. If scope is loosened, you slink away in shame and never post again. If it is not loosened then I go away. Either way you are rid of me for good. Problem is, you know deep down inside that it will be loosened, that's why you won't agree to my proposal. I'm sure you will try to make light of this post and play it off like a joke, but I'm serious. You talk a big game, now it's time to back it up, or you will be seen as a loser with a big mouth but nothing to back it.
737 Pylt said:Rumor I've been hearing is that the scope relief is tied to mainline growth. We'll see I guess.
737
FDJ2 said:Where have we heard that before?
Heavy Set said:Any provisions made for the 400+ furloughed pilots at Delta? Love to hear some details around that on Wednesday. Everyone seems to forget the furloughees...
FDJ2 said:Where have we heard that before?