The DL TA

[N2264J]

I don't even look at the ALPA board since a few Delta pilots (including a status rep) started sending me e-mail threats about IRS audits and the well being of my family while I was out of town.

How do you account for this behavior from Delta pilots including elected reps if the lawsuit has no merit? Why would the thugs expose themselves so recklessly and unnecessarily if the litigation they despise so much were going nowhere? You can cut the contempt with a knife on this board egged on by impostor posters like "RJDC_" and "RJDC."

Why does the Duty of Fair Representation frighten and disturb union members so much? Answer: the "powers that be" feel like they have something to lose. Result: the entire concept of union is corrupted into the "haves" and "have nots." Counter intuitive, no?

Sorry to hear about your brush with the amature, punk intimidation. You know, ALPA has a code of ethics for pilot members. Has something to do with high moral character and personal attributes above reproach.

 

[screwed_again]

Why does the General Lee post this on the regional board????? I think its time for the "General Lee is the biggest TOOL" hijack.

 

[SkyWench]

here here, leave the general alone.

 

[737 Pylt]

Dan Ford is trying to fix what is wrong with ALPA - so our careers are not harmed by just the sort of activity going on at Mesaba and COEX. ALPA needs fixing, even you agree on that point. New ideas and dissent are how things get fixed - so arguing union business on a union board is appropriate use of those resources.

Is this how Dan is trying to fix ALPA....From your own website:

h. as to the claims set forth in Count VIII, such sum as may be determined
at trial, but in no event less than the sum of Two Million Dollars
($2,000,000.00) each.

i. as to the claims set forth in Count IX,
such sum as may be determined at trial, but in no event less than Two
Million ($2,000,000.00) Dollars each.

j. as to the claims set forth in Count X,
such sum as may be determined at trial, but in no event less than Two
Million Dollars ($2,000,000.00) Dollars each, plus the cumulative sum of One
Hundred Million ($100,000,000.00) as exemplary and punitive damages.

k. as to the claims set forth in Count XI, such sum as may be determined at
trial, but in no event less than Two Million ($2,000,000.00) each.

l. as to the claims set forth in Count XII, such sum as may be determined at
trial, but in no event less than Two Million ($2,000,000.00) Dollars each.

m. as to the claims set forth in Count XIII,
such sum as may be determined at trial, but in no event less than Two
Million ($2,000,000.00) Dollars each.

I don't even look at the ALPA board since a few Delta pilots (including a status rep) started sending me e-mail threats about IRS audits and the well being of my family while I was out of town. Given that the origin of these e-mails was easy to determine, the whole incident did not worry me too much. But, no one has time for personal attacks. ALPA is what needs repair and individuals are not the issue, the conduct of our union is the issue.

There you go again....Avoiding the topic....You didn't answer the question. Does it make it right for my dues money to go towards your frivilous lawsuit??
I'll time you with a calander!

I have no desire to fly 737's, particularly your 737's. For starters, I earn more money where I am at right now. Second, if I was interested in 737's I would be knocking on Airtran's doors, not yours.

Fins:
Isn't it true the rjdc's membership is filled with the "undesirables" in aviation. This suit was filed long before 9/11. Most of your members have no college education, and some have dui's. They couldn't get hired at a major during the boom of the late 1990's and your leadership promised you'd all be millionaires and flying 777's. Its sad and pathetic, but we've learned to expect that from you and all your pals there!
737

 

[737 Pylt]

How do you account for this behavior from Delta pilots including elected reps if the lawsuit has no merit? Why would the thugs expose themselves so recklessly and unnecessarily if the litigation they despise so much were going nowhere? You can cut the contempt with a knife on this board egged on by impostor posters like "RJDC_" and "RJDC."

N:
There's no excuse for behavior like that. I would condone it as well. That being said, the nature of your pal fins' posts, being caught in more lies, I'd have to go with the idea that he's lying again. No surprise there, but how else do you justify what he believes in.

Why does the Duty of Fair Representation frighten and disturb union members so much? Answer: the "powers that be" feel like they have something to lose. Result: the entire concept of union is corrupted into the "haves" and "have nots." Counter intuitive, no?

N:
This is where you and I both agree. There are some major problems at the national level, again, that being said, the rjdc is NOT the answer, as all I see out of this suit is GREED by its membership!

Sorry to hear about your brush with the amature, punk intimidation. You know, ALPA has a code of ethics for pilot members. Has something to do with high moral character and personal attributes above reproach.

Again, fins has proven time and time again to make up stories and lies. This is just another one to throw into his folder of the "hatred of the DL pilots."
737

 

[DrunkIrishman]

737 Plt-

Integrity check. Since ASA is not a wholly-owned, we should lose our S2/3 status and go below all DAL employees. Then it should also be acceptable for all DAL employees to go below all ASA employees on all ASA flights.

If you agree, then I respect your integrity. If you believe that they are all DAL seats and DAL should have priority regardless of who operates them, then you are selfish and somewhat hippocritical. What say you?

 

[737 Pylt]

737 Plt-

Integrity check. Since ASA is not a wholly-owned, we should lose our S2/3 status and go below all DAL employees. Then it should also be acceptable for all DAL employees to go below all ASA employees on all ASA flights.

I agree 100% NO DL employee should have pass priority on ANY ASA flight above ANY ASA employee!

If you agree, then I respect your integrity. If you believe that they are all DAL seats and DAL should have priority regardless of who operates them, then you are selfish and somewhat hippocritical. What say you?

Negative ghostrider.....I firmly believe and will make my case that ALL DL MAINLINE flights should be DL mainline employees first, while NO DL employee should go above ANY ASA employee on ANY ASA flight, regardless of what code they are flying for!
737

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Willful ignorance General. There wasn't any growth on the table at the time. The vote was about 75% yes though, but hey 25% will say no to just about anything. Maybe that 25% did see the writing on the wall, but if they did they had a far better crystal ball than most these days. More likely the made a stand on principle not knowing any better than the rest of us what the future held.

Jon,
I voted NO, on principal and on vision. It is almost impossible to get anything in writing changed, unless the company wants to, I repeatedly told this to anyone who would or wouldn't listen. Why would they elect to increase their operating costs, common sense would dictate they wouldn't, the company is run by bean counters. My argument all along, it's easy to play poker with people who can't see the cards because of the blindfold, and they are dealing all the cards. Without a crystal ball, one must make decisions on based upon track record, and available information, thats what I did, hence the NO vote, based upon basic common sense.
PBR

 

[DrunkIrishman]

737Pilot-

That is what I said. I commend you for your integrity, as I agree that ASA has priority on ASA flights and DAL on DAL flights. It will be unfortunate for mainliners that commute out of ASA cities.

 

[737 Pylt]

737Pilot-

That is what I said. I commend you for your integrity, as I agree that ASA has priority on ASA flights and DAL on DAL flights. It will be unfortunate for mainliners that commute out of ASA cities.

I agree.....Remember the old saying, be careful what you wish for!
737

 

[jstyle13]

So back to the original topic. Anyone heard when the details will be released?

 

[jetfo]

Is this how Dan is trying to fix ALPA....From your own website:

h. as to the claims set forth in Count VIII, such sum as may be determined
at trial, but in no event less than the sum of Two Million Dollars
($2,000,000.00) each.

i. as to the claims set forth in Count IX,
such sum as may be determined at trial, but in no event less than Two
Million ($2,000,000.00) Dollars each.

j. as to the claims set forth in Count X,
such sum as may be determined at trial, but in no event less than Two
Million Dollars ($2,000,000.00) Dollars each, plus the cumulative sum of One
Hundred Million ($100,000,000.00) as exemplary and punitive damages.

k. as to the claims set forth in Count XI, such sum as may be determined at
trial, but in no event less than Two Million ($2,000,000.00) each.

l. as to the claims set forth in Count XII, such sum as may be determined at
trial, but in no event less than Two Million ($2,000,000.00) Dollars each.

m. as to the claims set forth in Count XIII,
such sum as may be determined at trial, but in no event less than Two
Million ($2,000,000.00) Dollars each.




There you go again....Avoiding the topic....You didn't answer the question. Does it make it right for my dues money to go towards your frivilous lawsuit??
I'll time you with a calander!




Fins:
Isn't it true the rjdc's membership is filled with the "undesirables" in aviation. This suit was filed long before 9/11. Most of your members have no college education, and some have dui's. They couldn't get hired at a major during the boom of the late 1990's and your leadership promised you'd all be millionaires and flying 777's. Its sad and pathetic, but we've learned to expect that from you and all your pals there!
737

Well, someone has to pay for the attorney fees!

 

[ASARJMan]

• Pay cut of 14% from LOA #46 followed by annual pay raises starting January 1,
2007. Additional pay increases tied to Company financial performance
(protection against the Contract ’96 debacle).
• Limited authority to operate 71-76 seat DCI jets, provided that no pilot on the
current seniority list (Troy Kane and above) is placed on furlough. This
protection is not subject to a force majeure clause.
• There are no changes to any of our duty rigs or scheduling (except for Hawaii
reporting); our quality of life items.
• The MPPP will be terminated and the money will be placed in your account that
you control.
• Notes and Equity to return a substantial part of our concessions.
• Duration of 3.5 years (12/31/2009, same as LOA #46).
• The effective date of the agreement will be June 1, 2006 if the T/A is ratified and
is approved by the Bankruptcy Court.
The following is a summary of the T/A:


Scope:

• 76-seaters will be allowed at DCI, with strict limitations on numbers, and with
incentives for mainline growth.
• If the Company furloughs a pilot on the current seniority list (Troy Kane and
above), DCI cannot fly any of the 71-76 seat jets with more than 70 seats. In fact,
they must then physically remove the excess seats from ALL such aircraft for the
balance of this contract.
o Beginning January 1, 2007, DCI is allowed to operate fifteen jets
configured with 71-76 seats. They may operate these aircraft prior to this
date, but with a maximum of 70 seats.
o On January 1, 2008, DCI is allowed to operate an additional fifteen 71-76
seat jets.
o Additional 71-76 seaters can be added, but only on the basis of mainline
aircraft growth (three 71-76 seaters for one growth mainline aircraft).
• Delete minimum block hours and planned percentages.
• Delete designated flying block hours.
• Change in control provisions allow flexibility in Chapter 11, but preserve
essential protections in an airline-to-airline transaction during Chapter 11.
• Delete the required recall of all furloughed pilots by August 1, 2008.
• Delete the requirement to be at a 75 hour ALV in certain categories for 3 months
prior to furloughing. Maintain the three month furlough notice requirement.
Compensation:

• Composite hourly pay rates will remain at 14% below the LOA 46 rates for the
balance of 2006.
• On January 1, 2007, rates will be increased 1.5%.
• On January 1, 2008, rates will increase by at least 1.5%, and may increase up to
6% based on corporate financial performance.
• On January 1, 2009, rates will increase by at least 1.5% above the minimum 2008
rates, and may increase up to 6% above the actual 2008 rates, based on corporate
financial performance.
• On December 31, 2009 rates will increase another 1%.
• See attached minimum and maximum pay rate tables.
• The 12 year captain rate for the EMB-190/CRJ-900 will be $95.70 on June 1,
2006 and subject to the above adjustments.
• The 12 year captain rate for the EMB-195 will be $112.50 on June 1, 2006 and
subject to the above adjustments.
• Delete night pay.
• International pay is $5.00/hr for captains and $3.00/hr for F/Os.
• Increase profit sharing pool divided among all employees from LOA #46 to a
15% payout at first dollar of pre-tax income; 20% payout on pre-tax income over
$1.5B divided proportional to W-2 income.
• Domestic per diem is $1.85/hr.
• International per diem is $2.40/hr.

Hotels

• Expanded hotel reviews and a stated preference for nationally branded hotels.
Relocation

• To be eligible for relocation at company expense, a pilot must move within 125
miles of his new base. Pilots who currently have a moving entitlement retain their
eligibility.
• Increase lump sum to cover miscellaneous moving expenses to $2000.
Vacations:

• Effective April 1, 2007, reduce the value of a vacation day to 3 hours.
• Effective April 1, 2007, delete the 6th week of vacation and reduce the vacation
accrual rate.
Administrative Flying

• Administrative pilots may fly a rotation from open time without a line pilot being
paid for the rotation. The rotation may only be removed within 96 hours of report
and, in most instances, it must have gone through at least one PCS run prior to
removal by the administrative pilot.
Training

• Improve MEC oversight of CQ material preparation.
• Clarification of pay time for distributed training that is not on a CD, but could be
in another form of media, such as a workbook.
Hours of Service

• Sixty minute report for flight segments to/from Hawaii.
• Increase DBMS displays for flight hour and PWA limitations.
Sick Leave

• The new sick leave year will be from June 1 – May 31 for all pilots.
• Pilots in their 9th year and above will have 240 sick leave hours each year.
• On a rolling 3 year basis, a pilot will have 240 hours at full pay and the rest at
75% pay.
• Pilots returning from disability will have their full pay sick leave credit hours
recharged (once in a career).
Scheduling

• The company must comply with the TLV limits commencing April 1, 2007.
• A Delta jumpseat reservation will now satisfy the commuting policy.
General

• Flow back jumpseat to be negotiated with Alaska, Northwest and Continental
immediately and with US Airways and United beginning January 1, 2007.

• A flight attendant jumpseat may be occupied by a pilot, but only if it is the only
seat available on the aircraft and no flight attendant (working or not) has
requested the jumpseat.
• Yearly non-rev pass fee of 50 dollars maximum, and no more than other
employees.
• Pilots on the FOQA monitoring team will be covered under Section 24 J. 2. and
not subject to GS charges to ALPA.
• LOA #52 establishes the Civil Reserve Air Fleet procedures.
• Financial advisory fees and major ALPA costs paid by Company.
Medical and Dental Benefits

• Increase premiums for future retired pilots and survivors prior to Medicare
eligibility.
• Provide “access only” medical coverage post-Medicare eligibility.
• Provide for modifications to medical insurance to capture savings from the Health
Coverage Tax Credit.
Retirement, Insurance, and Disability and Survivor Benefits

• Money Purchase Pension Plan accounts will be distributed to individual pilots for
self-directed investment.
• Defined Contribution (DC) Plan contribution of a flat 9% to all pilots after Pilot