The Delta vote

[nimtz]

A DAL+1 for you guys would be a 40% raise, and all of the work rules changes would add BILLIONS. Yeah, I hope that happens..... Good luck.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Already got offered old DAL+1 two years ago. Never went past section 1 despite the pay and work rule gains. Somehow BOHICA on scope didn't seem like a good idea. Oh and also the fact that legacy airlines were posting profits during the great recession. Guess I should of said take it to 'help' DAL ALPA's efforts. Congrats on your hard fought victory!

 

[waveflyer]

In a couple years he will have had a 16% raise by then, with 3% more coming in the following January. He/she may also have upgraded finally to a 717 or bigger, increasing pay even more.


Good luck on your negotiations.


Bye Bye---General Lee

^^^^Anybody still confused why I call DALPA sellouts??^^^

 

[dalad]

^^^^Anybody still confused why I call DALPA sellouts??^^^

You're the sell out for even flying an RJ in the first place. Can you say HYPOCRITE. You have absolutely no credibility, PERIOD........

 

[xjhawk]

You're the sell out for even flying an RJ in the first place. Can you say HYPOCRITE. You have absolutely no credibility, PERIOD........

WHat? let me guess that you went right from the military to mainline? You are an idiot to think that anyone that does not have a military background has any other choice. If It were up to me, I would have went right from the Saab right seat, to the left and then on to mainline. But some how, whether it was greedy scope relief for pay or bankruptcy scope relief I am stuck at a regional flying lets. You have no credibility by making such a statement. It also shows you are an idiot with a silver spoon in your mouth.

Don't call me a sell out when it is not my or anyone else's fault who is flying an RJ, that we are flying said RJ's.

 

[Rough67]

Don't call me a sell out when it is not my or anyone else's fault who is flying an RJ, that we are flying said RJ's.

So it's my fault I guess.. Let me see... I guess I should have quit while I was on furlough for 5 years, since I couldn't vote. That would have shown them! You guys keep up the generalizations and grandstanding.. Your level of annoyance makes me want to change my vote to a yes just to see if I can annoy you more.

Have a nice day.

 

[HelloNewman]

CAL/UAL has been an absolute joke with regards to this merger. 50 seat only scope is for people who don't know how to be realistic. BTW I see 70 seaters in EWR and IAH. LOL nice scope win ALPA

 

[BID]

A DAL+1 for you guys would be a 40% raise, and all of the work rules changes would add BILLIONS. Yeah, I hope that happens..... Good luck.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Our CEO wants your scope relief, he has offered Delta plus one before. I will never vote for anything that allows it. I just can't imagine voting yes on a 90 seat airframe. Then again, we are ALPA. I would not be surprised if we too see a future sales job.

BTW, are you not at all concerned Delta management might one day try to negotiate more seats on the 90 seaters airframes? Hey, more revenue for Delta! What's another four more seats anyway?

 

[General Lee]

Our CEO wants your scope relief, he has offered Delta plus one before. I will never vote for anything that allows it. I just can't imagine voting yes on a 90 seat airframe. Then again, we are ALPA. I would not be surprised if we too see a future sales job.

BTW, are you not at all concerned Delta management might one day try to negotiate more seats on the 90 seaters airframes? Hey, more revenue for Delta! What's another four more seats anyway?

Of course he will offer you DL +1, but have you taken he time to see how much of a jump that would be in pay, benefits, and rules? Huge. It would be great, but it would be the greatest jump up in history. We have struggled to do it over a couple negotiations. I would like to see him put it in writing, and if he does, great. Speaking of CEOs, Parker, too, will offer that to anyone who will try to merge with him. I hope they get it also.

And according to ALPA, the company wanted 82 seats throughout the whole TA negotiation. It was a solid No, and that lasted through the last day.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

You're the sell out for even flying an RJ in the first place. Can you say HYPOCRITE. You have absolutely no credibility, PERIOD........

I didn't fly it in the first place. I flew it in the 4th place, after furlough, after I'd had plenty of TPIC 121 time- glad to know those who had a vote still on the property were so willing to outsource my job-

Spin that however you want, but my job was outsourced and I flew right seat in an RJ on my old mainline routes bc my widebody peers didn't think my job, mortgage, or benefits was important.

The BK gun to the head was the excuse. "we had no choice!"
Now you do.
(And it's not personal- this happened to THOUSANDS of us.)

 

[bigshooter107]

Our CEO wants your scope relief, he has offered Delta plus one before. I will never vote for anything that allows it. I just can't imagine voting yes on a 90 seat airframe. Then again, we are ALPA. I would not be surprised if we too see a future sales job.

BTW, are you not at all concerned Delta management might one day try to negotiate more seats on the 90 seaters airframes? Hey, more revenue for Delta! What's another four more seats anyway?

Yea, because a couple more coach seats will make delta a tremendous amount of money VS those first class seats it's configured with and if they let the 900s have 86 coach seats instead of 76 mixed class the company would begin replacing 757s with RJs..

 

[OState597]

Not fueling the fire, but I'm curious how current this figure is. I'd bet this is a bit exadurated in today's market. My Fiance' has an MBA, a law degree, and makes 52k as a practicing attourney. After seeing how much she works, there's no way I'd subject myself to that way of life. I'll take my airplane, thank you : )

I don't have an MBA...Hell, I'm not even a Delta pilot, but want to be. I grew up in a Delta family and then put in several years in the right seat of a United Express RJ. I quit that to drive a Hawker from the left seat for a family, a filthy rich family of whom I still work for. With this job has come many flashy experiences: Limo's and red carpets, rented mansions on vacations, Cabo to Costa Rica, floor seats, champagne in hotels and lobster. What also has come with this job is an office, a fax machine, a work cell phone, file cabinets with flight logs, expenses, mx reports, receipts for catering and invoices for carpet cleaning, emails, confirmation #'s for said limo's, fuel bills, emails, and more emails.
Point being...I can't stand any part of my current job that happens outside of the beacon light flashing. The rest is an office. Offices suck. Filing cabinets suck, as does paying for plane tickets, losing CASS, losing the crew line, and riding the elevator up to the 17th floor of our main office where I see people staring at the clock that hangs just above their framed MBA.

I realize this thread was about voting, one of which I have no stake in nor this company. I hope I didn't push anyone's buttons and every guys' situation is different from the next...I just urge us to breathe, sip your coffee, fly, set the brake, go home. Offices suck.

 

[waveflyer]

Offices suck if you don't have a passion for what you're doing. But theyre pretty nice if you do. there's no reason pilots can't have two passions. The airplane certainly is more inviting if it's not your whole life.

And I will never, feel trapped by this profession. I'll never feel, as many of us do, that flying is the ONLY thing I can do. It's not, and we do all of us a disservice when we think this- esp come negotiations.

 

[Scoot 11]

You're the sell out for even flying an RJ in the first place. Can you say HYPOCRITE. You have absolutely no credibility, PERIOD........

Thank you SIR!!!! Ask him how much he paid to work at SW? Ask him how much lower paid SW was than anyone else in the industry? Retirement?
Hypocrite is an understatement!

 

[bmpilot2003]

Waveflyer if this passes and delta remains profitable can't DALPA try to tighten scope even more during the next negotiations? Simply waiting for 200s to retire will take much loner than capping it now and then reducing the cap in the next negotiotition. I'm trying to understand your reason to vote no. I work at Skywest and capping the RJ seems like a better option to hold jobs at a mainline. Is Delta able to replace 200s with a 50 seat variant if they choose to?

 

[waveflyer]

Thank you SIR!!!! Ask him how much he paid to work at SW? Ask him how much lower paid SW was than anyone else in the industry? Retirement?
Hypocrite is an understatement!

You're talking to a pilot who got his legacy job outsourced. And I went to swa when they'd earned the highest pay in their category. What airline should I support? The one heading in the right direction, the one who doesn't outsource, or the ones heading in the wrong direction? Who left me jobless once, and left my classmates jobless twice- always pulling the rug out. How many thousands of experienced pilots have found themselves as an FO for a 26 year olds, in big jets after legacies outsourced their old job?
I'm not going to forget that. Ever. Or be baited into a SW is evil conversation because you guys can't defend what you're about to do again.