The deal is done: Continental and United airlines have agreed to merge.

[ohplease!]

Because they will get booted from their seats by the mainline pilots who own that flying in the first place?

Best case, the larger RJ numbers will be capped at current levels.... tough break bro....looks like those large RJ days in UA colors at regionals might be over..... so sad.

or, it just may go the other direction and the end of Continental's 50 seat scope limits... May work out well for CoEx... deffinatley bad for Mesa though *sniff, sniff*... I don't see too good of an outcome for the Continental pilots either....I'm just sayin'

 

[Homer Jay]

or, it just may go the other direction and the end of Continental's 50 seat scope limits... May work out well for CoEx... deffinatley bad for Mesa though *sniff, sniff*... I don't see too good of an outcome for the Continental pilots either....I'm just sayin'

Why would this not work out well for CAL pilots? The DAL/NWA pilots did an excellent job showing what can be done when both sides come together and do things right (except scope). The only people that should be worried in this deal are those flying the 70's. So far, I've been very satisfied with the communication coming from both MEC offices. They both seem to realize what is at stake and I, for once, am optimistic. The outsourcing has to stop and I know of NO pilots at the regionals that care to retire from one.

 

[CX880]

Why would this not work out well for CAL pilots? The DAL/NWA pilots did an excellent job showing what can be done when both sides come together and do things right (except scope). The only people that should be worried in this deal are those flying the 70's. So far, I've been very satisfied with the communication coming from both MEC offices. They both seem to realize what is at stake and I, for once, am optimistic. The outsourcing has to stop and I know of NO pilots at the regionals that care to retire from one.

Ok but you do realize that your pilots have to give up something in exchange for scope? As you said, Delta did everything right except for scope, because it's hard. The question is what are UA pilots willing to give up?

 

[Homer Jay]

Ok but you do realize that your pilots have to give up something in exchange for scope? As you said, Delta did everything right except for scope, because it's hard. The question is what are UA pilots willing to give up?

We're done giving anything up. We've been bending over the last 10 years. It's over.

 

[amcnd]

XJT will be just fine. I'd be more worried if I were flying for Republic or Skywest.

Maybe not SkyWest.. CO loves them, and United owes them money with alot of strings atatched.....

 

[IAHERJ]

Ok but you do realize that your pilots have to give up something in exchange for scope? As you said, Delta did everything right except for scope, because it's hard. The question is what are UA pilots willing to give up?

Ummmmm, no I don't understand that at all. There will be no giving anything up here I can tell you. We might not get exactly what we want with regards to scope but we will be getting a joint contract that sets the bar higher for the legacy carriers going forward. I will not be able to look my DAL friends in the eye if we don't do at least that for them and the others like AA. I wouldn't want to be a regional pilot right now. The good news is that if we do make headway in the scope department, new jobs will be created at the mainline which is GOOD for regional pilots. I predict hiring at the new UAL after 2014. Good for the regional lifers who lack the college degree etc. to go to CAL/UAL/DAL/AA/UPS/FDX as they might move up when those qualified get picked up by UAL.

 

[CX880]

. I wouldn't want to be a regional pilot right now. .

Well don't get too excited. The merger hasn't even been approved, and if you noticed any media coverage yesterday, the public sentiment of this merger was largely negative. If there's any significant change to scope it won't take effect for years as UAX is more than half of UA ops.

 

[Homer Jay]

Well don't get too excited. The merger hasn't even been approved, and if you noticed any media coverage yesterday, the public sentiment of this merger was largely negative. If there's any significant change to scope it won't take effect for years as UAX is more than half of UA ops.

There was largely negative press regarding the DAL/NWA deal as well. When you get ******************************bags on tv whining about airfares and frequent flier miles, that's all you're going to hear. I have no sympathy for Joe Schmoe, the vacationer, that expects to fly to FL for 99 bucks. As for the Wall Street types, everything I saw was favorable.

 

[IAHERJ]

Well don't get too excited. The merger hasn't even been approved, and if you noticed any media coverage yesterday, the public sentiment of this merger was largely negative. If there's any significant change to scope it won't take effect for years as UAX is more than half of UA ops.

The public sentiment has nothing to do with this merger being passed or not. The public is complaining about the possibility of increased airfares all the while totally ignorant to the fact that we are coming off a 10 year low in the cost of air travel. The public needs to realize that air travel is not a "right". You can't drive one way across the country for what a typical round-trip ticket costs on just about any airline these days. For once the airlines are addressing the revenue side of the equation vs. continuing down the path of beating down costs and you make statements like that above? Do you want to spend the rest of your career flying 70-85 seat jets around the country for less pay because the airlines have been successful in labeling them "regional"? There is a lawsuit right now addressing this very thing. It seems that the airlines not only get favorable labor rates by labeling the jets as "regional" but the aircraft companies building these jets also benefit from the tax incentives involved in the process. Boeing and Airbus are not happy about it either.

 

[Jetjockey]

Well don't get too excited. The merger hasn't even been approved, and if you noticed any media coverage yesterday, the public sentiment of this merger was largely negative. If there's any significant change to scope it won't take effect for years as UAX is more than half of UA ops.

The public opinion doesn't matter for merger approval. The Department of Justice looks at anti-trust issues. This will be approved. But maybe the legal departments at UAL and CAL are missing something that you see. Let's see, go with two high powered corporate legal departments, or a career RJ pilot.............hmmmmmm.

I choose the two high powered corporate legal departments. I think I have to agree with them on the deal will meet little legal resistance.

 

[CX880]

The public opinion doesn't matter for merger approval. The Department of Justice looks at anti-trust issues. This will be approved. But maybe the legal departments at UAL and CAL are missing something that you see. Let's see, go with two high powered corporate legal departments, or a career RJ pilot.............hmmmmmm.

I choose the two high powered corporate legal departments. I think I have to agree with them on the deal will meet little legal resistance.

No need for insults, the only difference between you and us lowly RJ pilots is your equipment.

 

[Jetjockey]

No need for insults, the only difference between you and us lowly RJ pilots is your equipment.

I didn't compare a RJ pilot to Mainline pilot, I compared an RJ pilot to 2 teams of high paid legal departments.

 

[Speedtape]

Ummmmm, no I don't understand that at all. There will be no giving anything up here I can tell you. We might not get exactly what we want with regards to scope but we will be getting a joint contract that sets the bar higher for the legacy carriers going forward. I will not be able to look my DAL friends in the eye if we don't do at least that for them and the others like AA. I wouldn't want to be a regional pilot right now. The good news is that if we do make headway in the scope department, new jobs will be created at the mainline which is GOOD for regional pilots. I predict hiring at the new UAL after 2014. Good for the regional lifers who lack the college degree etc. to go to CAL/UAL/DAL/AA/UPS/FDX as they might move up when those qualified get picked up by UAL.

IF and WHEN, you eliminate RJ flying at your new airline, YOUR Airline will become the INCREDIBLE SHRINKING AIRLINE!

Did you know? RJs do about 51% of UAL flying!

 

[Speedtape]

The public opinion doesn't matter for merger approval. The Department of Justice looks at anti-trust issues. This will be approved. But maybe the legal departments at UAL and CAL are missing something that you see. Let's see, go with two high powered corporate legal departments, or a career RJ pilot.............hmmmmmm.

I choose the two high powered corporate legal departments. I think I have to agree with them on the deal will meet little legal resistance.

Chicago, United, Merger--Can you say Obama? It will be approved.

 

[Jetjockey]

IF and WHEN, you eliminate RJ flying at your new airline, YOUR Airline will become the INCREDIBLE SHRINKING AIRLINE!

Did you know? RJs do about 51% of UAL flying!

For now. Did you know at one time Air Wisconsin was the largest United Express at one time, they even had 70 plus seat jets. I'm talking the 90's. Remember West Air? Probably not, they were a huge west coast feeder for UAL. Britt? Bar Harbor? Presidential? These were all big regional airlines that have come and gone while providing "feed" for UAL and CAL. Where are they now? Gone via buyouts, closed doors, etc.

Will the large number of RJs disappear overnight? Not likely. They didn't show up overnight. They are the product of massive givebacks and concessionary agreements. Will the numbers be capped, and contracts allowed to expire with not allowing replacements. Much more likely. Will there be winners and losers in the the regional feed for the new UAL? There most certainly will. Regionals are pawns in the Mainline game. Management know this. In fact, they love it. They can whipsaw entire airlines against each other. I'm not ragging on the regional airline pilot. I flew 9 years at one. The solution? Get mainline flying back where it belongs.........to mainline.

I watch in disgust the numbers of 70 seaters flying around that once were very good mainline jobs, Do I hold disdain for the pilots? No. They're just flying the best equipment their airline has to offer. If you fly for a regional airline, you are an outsource provider who can be replaced at the end of the contract, sometimes even before. That is reality.

 

[SuperFLUF]

IF and WHEN, you eliminate RJ flying at your new airline, YOUR Airline will become the INCREDIBLE SHRINKING AIRLINE!

Did you know? RJs do about 51% of UAL flying!

Riiiiight. Its not about eliminating RJ flying professor. Its about the mainline pilots flying the jets larger than 50 seats.

 

[Bako Cap]

Its about the mainline pilots flying the jets larger than 50 seats.

After all these years, somehow I still cannot figure out why a cut off at 50 seats is acceptable to any mainline pilot. Kinda seems silly fighting so hard to get the 70 seaters "on property" while totally ignoring the 50 seaters. The new UAL will have just under 500 50 seaters while having about 100 70 seaters.

 

[saab fixr]

Funny when your jump seating to work youll ride on those crappy RJ's some of you need to lighten up after all flying those small planes were above you Mainline types give a rest !!

 

[Flyerdan]

For now. Did you know at one time Air Wisconsin was the largest United Express at one time, they even had 70 plus seat jets. I'm talking the 90's. Remember West Air? Probably not, they were a huge west coast feeder for UAL. Britt? Bar Harbor? Presidential? These were all big regional airlines that have come and gone while providing "feed" for UAL and CAL. Where are they now? Gone via buyouts, closed doors, etc.

Will the large number of RJs disappear overnight? Not likely. They didn't show up overnight. They are the product of massive givebacks and concessionary agreements. Will the numbers be capped, and contracts allowed to expire with not allowing replacements. Much more likely. Will there be winners and losers in the the regional feed for the new UAL? There most certainly will. Regionals are pawns in the Mainline game. Management know this. In fact, they love it. They can whipsaw entire airlines against each other. I'm not ragging on the regional airline pilot. I flew 9 years at one. The solution? Get mainline flying back where it belongs.........to mainline.

I watch in disgust the numbers of 70 seaters flying around that once were very good mainline jobs, Do I hold disdain for the pilots? No. They're just flying the best equipment their airline has to offer. If you fly for a regional airline, you are an outsource provider who can be replaced at the end of the contract, sometimes even before. That is reality.

Tell us how mainline management will be able to adjust their business model to make money flying RJ size aircraft and you will have my attention.

Until then you are just spouting wishful thinking and talking about the past.

 

[Jetjockey]

Tell us how mainline management will be able to adjust their business model to make money flying RJ size aircraft and you will have my attention.

Until then you are just spouting wishful thinking and talking about the past.

That's just it. Management knows the economic feasibility of 50 seat RJs makes it real hard to make money on a given route. That's why they are pushing towards 70-100 seat jets. Look at the production of 50 seat jets at Embrarer and Canadair. I believe the production line on 50 seat jets has reached the end.

I'm not "spouting" any wishful thinking of the past. I was highlighting that regionals come and go with the contracts they sign. I'm looking forward. NO MORE SCOPE RELIEF. CONCESSION STAND IS CLOSED!