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Yep 30 notices out today or tomorrow for April 1 departure. Then who knows rumors of 4-5 a month or 20 a quarter or who the hell really a knows....118 by this time next year!
Sorry all....specially us who left once before for 2 years and decided to come back instead of bypassing thinking it would be good.....oooooops
O well here we go again!!!!!
Sorry all....specially us who left once before for 2 years and decided to come back instead of bypassing thinking it would be good.....oooooops
O well here we go again!!!!!
johnsonrod
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What a bummer. We all need a stronger economy pronto.
That may be the best, most honest post you have ever made. I agree completely.
brokeflyer
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Thanks. My posts are always honest, you just don't agree with most of them.
Yeah, what would you do? Everything was fine until the union got on property. I know myself and many other CA pilots feel it was what did us in. They don't make companys money now do they?
Yeah, a union tard acting like it was all management. Forget the fact a union came on the property and in less than a year, the company sinks? Typical union Lemming response.
So, a minority of the people in the company got their union and now we are all losing our jobs. THAT is classy.
Hawker dude
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I think you accidently spelled union, instead of Textron. Without +cash flow why would they keep it running at a loss?
What i am trying to tell you in a joking manner is, companys that are profitable dont have much of a problems with unions. If you arent maknig money the union shops are an easy target to go after.
Really, other than Southwest, how have those 121 guys been doing? After 9-11 United was bailed out to the tune of 3.8 billion of our tax payer money. Yeah, management did it all.....lol. Now we have us (CA) and what about Netjets as well? Any REAL profits there. Wake up dude. I am not trying to be mean spirited but what has really changed with CA in the last 9 months? One thing, the union. They looked at the financials and saw the extra costs and bailed to save what little is left. That is not bad management, that is trying to stay alive. This job was not anywhere as bad as the union tards here and at our company where making out. I challenged them every chance I got, yet here we are....another failed union company.
Yes, it was the unions fault. Those are the facts. If I were BO, I would have done my best to identify those that voted for it and furloughed them first. They earned it.
Yes, it was the unions fault. Those are the facts. If I were BO, I would have done my best to identify those that voted for it and furloughed them first. They earned it.
pilot125
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Wow RCR5, you are a piece of work, aren't you............hey I get it, you don't like unions. I don't like eating seafood, but I don't go around PROCLAIMING the consumption of seafood causes AIDS. Why, because there are no facts that support that statement, EVEN if a person dies an AIDS-related death and their last meal was....................wait for it...................seafood!
I try to respect everyone's opinion, but you make it very hard to do that in this case. I would think that your average somewhat educated aviator who follows this ordeal probably comes to the conclusion that what did CA in is a combination of: great recession followed by stagnating economy, fear of another recession, low demand for their product, unsuccessful business model(due to economy), CHANGE in business model due to new vision by current management/owners, etc....................or heck, maybe I'm completely wrong and all it took was a union to come onboard and for management to say "OH NO YOU DIDN'T, WE GOTTA SHUT'ER DOWN NOW!"
BUT hey, since you know for a fact that the union DESTROYED your company, I assume you have some uber-developed part of the brain, maybe you can help out humanity with your supreme knowledge. Was there a second shooter on the grassy knoll that day? Surely this one should be easy for you (in your BLACK and WHITE world). Were there really any WMD's in Iraq? Was Hitler really that bad of a guy? Is there life on other planets?
Sorry to hear about the furloughs at CA, I really am. I wish everybody affected by this the best, even the somewhat mis-guided RCR5.
I try to respect everyone's opinion, but you make it very hard to do that in this case. I would think that your average somewhat educated aviator who follows this ordeal probably comes to the conclusion that what did CA in is a combination of: great recession followed by stagnating economy, fear of another recession, low demand for their product, unsuccessful business model(due to economy), CHANGE in business model due to new vision by current management/owners, etc....................or heck, maybe I'm completely wrong and all it took was a union to come onboard and for management to say "OH NO YOU DIDN'T, WE GOTTA SHUT'ER DOWN NOW!"
BUT hey, since you know for a fact that the union DESTROYED your company, I assume you have some uber-developed part of the brain, maybe you can help out humanity with your supreme knowledge. Was there a second shooter on the grassy knoll that day? Surely this one should be easy for you (in your BLACK and WHITE world). Were there really any WMD's in Iraq? Was Hitler really that bad of a guy? Is there life on other planets?
Sorry to hear about the furloughs at CA, I really am. I wish everybody affected by this the best, even the somewhat mis-guided RCR5.
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I agree with you, unfortunately talking about the union is like talking about politics or religion, really hard to have an open minded, respectful conversation about.
Union talk, like religion and politics is basically " agree with me or screw yourself"
AftCG182
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I bumped into a CA crew at VGT, and let me tell ya... Reading this stuff in FI is one thing, but talking to these guys and hearing the emotion in their voices... man, it just breaks my heart.
While I'm neither a Management pilot, nor even a Standards Captain for that matter, (just bustin' my hump out here in the trenches), I do feel like I've been here long enough (year 5) to offer to help anyone at CA in the form of a recommendation if they decide to apply here.
The hiring at Avantair has slowed a bit, but we are still doing some limited hiring. I gave the crew in VGT some of my business cards so that they can e-mail me resumes.
Again, our hiring seems to have slowed quite a bit, and I'll say up front that I don't have first-hand info on future hiring trends, but I really believe that former CA guys would get the first shot at any openings we have here. If you get one of my cards, e-mail me a resume. If not, PM me here and we'll figure something out.
Good luck to everyone!
While I'm neither a Management pilot, nor even a Standards Captain for that matter, (just bustin' my hump out here in the trenches), I do feel like I've been here long enough (year 5) to offer to help anyone at CA in the form of a recommendation if they decide to apply here.
The hiring at Avantair has slowed a bit, but we are still doing some limited hiring. I gave the crew in VGT some of my business cards so that they can e-mail me resumes.
Again, our hiring seems to have slowed quite a bit, and I'll say up front that I don't have first-hand info on future hiring trends, but I really believe that former CA guys would get the first shot at any openings we have here. If you get one of my cards, e-mail me a resume. If not, PM me here and we'll figure something out.
Good luck to everyone!
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I find it rather comical you calling me a "tard". From what i've read of your genius posts, it's amazing your brain can produce enough electricity to allow you to handle a little cessna.
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We are in the process of reinventing our selves in a tough market. The meeting in the office last Friday to the Dispatchers, Schedulers and others was actually kinda positive, so I heard. Apparently, the Board of Directors at Textron and the CEO at Cessna are exited about the vision they have in mind for us. Unfortunately there will be a reduction in pilots and for that the situation sucks. I don't believe it's all the doom and gloom you read on these forums from lets face it, people that have no clue. Until I'm told from our CEO him self that we're going out of business, I'll just keep my fingers crossed.
As for the Union debate, I'll just keep my opinion to my self.
As for the Union debate, I'll just keep my opinion to my self.
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Just an FYI..laying off a huge chunk of pilots IS doom and gloom......Maybe not to you since you apparently get to keep your job, but it is to those who have families to feed. Especially since there is NO furlough protection. Even IF CS was to do well in their aircraft management plan, who is to say that those layed off will be allowed to come back if they so choose?
We had a bunch of retards at NJA who felt the need to put furloughees in their place with "paying your dues" rhetoric concerning the furlough. It didn't sit well, and still doesn't. Those idiots have not been forgotten concerning what they said.
Keep it in mind
UAL-GSO
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Well good for them - my termination letter this morning wasn't very positive. In my twenty five years of flying I have never seen a more poorly run company. I feel horrible for my fellow furloughees who only months ago left good jobs to come back to this joke. At least we can finally put this place in our rear view mirror.
Most of the guys I have spoken with the last few weeks see the writing on the wall. For the others - I think you will. Cross your fingers if that makes you feel better, but I would start dusting off that resume. I'm sure Textron and Cessna are very excited about their vision for CA, but I don't think you will be...
FRACTRASH
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I am truly sorry for your Termination letter. I'm sick to my stomach over this situation and feel for my friends who are affected. I'm through posting on this site. It just becomes a pissing match and it's not worth my time anymore.
Outta Here
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Just remember how you are to your fellow CA pilots when you need them for a recommendation. I had captains at my last job like YOU who I "forgot" to recommend because of the same crap you are pulling.
Fresh Air
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It's hard to imagine that in this age of easily accessible information someone could be so utterly ignorant of the law. What you suggest would be highly illegal, and would result in those furloughed in the manner that you suggest becoming wealthy individuals at Textron's expense.
CALRepublic
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How I wish you guys would keep that anger and pro/anti union BS to yourselves. Why don't you guys send privte messages to each other and figure it out that way?
Most of us come to this site to talk about airplanes and aviation, and many of us don't want hear that $**t...
Some of you guys scare away passive people that just want to talk airplanes.
Most of us come to this site to talk about airplanes and aviation, and many of us don't want hear that $**t...
Some of you guys scare away passive people that just want to talk airplanes.
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Agree 100%...
UAL-GSO
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Thanks - I hope I am wrong about this place, I truly do. Lots of good pilots here giving it their best, but that just isn't enough to overcome such incompetent management.
PS - they want everything with the CA logo back this time, even the Members Only preflight jackets, business cards, etc... I think that is pretty telling...
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