The big vote. Any guesses?

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MDA...

The original intent was that MDA was to operated as a division of US Airways, and then-current US Airways pilots could bid for MDA positions. The company didn't like this and wanted MDA to be seperate.

So the agreement was modified, yet you hang your claim to seniority status on what the "intent" was?

ALPA agreed to this and the LOA was re-written to prohibit current mainline pilots from bidding for MDA positions.

So, basically, you had to be furloughed in order to get a job at MDA (if you were mainline).

This is no different than allowing Metro-Jet to operate the SAME aircraft in the US Airways system under different pay rates for the pilots...

Except that there was no prohibition on who could bid a Metrojet position, was there?

It's obviously exactly the same, except where it's completely different.

I won't even bother with your comment about upgrades.

You can tell yourself as often as you like that this is about representation, but that statement is far more revealing of your, and USAPA's, character, than any justification you can make for dumping ALPA.

 

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Can't elaborate...suffice it to say that there was a "legal hearing" that ALPA didn't get it's way. Stay tuned...

Like I thought, nothing to see here.

What likely happened was that some pre-trial motion by ALPA counsel was denied by the court.

Lemme guess, was it for "summary judgment/dismissal" by chance?

That's what "hearings" are for.

You aren't even at trial yet, and you're ready to claim victory.

Yep, we'll stay tuned.:laugh:

 

[Bringupthebird]

Didn't USAPA help the two pilots in Brazil that were held under house arrest for a few months following the crash of the Gol 737? They didn't? No one asked Stephen Bradford or Scott Theuer (USAPA "leadership") to come to the rescue? But USAPA has the ear of the government through their lobbyists, don't they (we don't need gummint, we is gummint)?

So tell me even one thing that the current principals of USAPA have done to warrant their leadership position. Is one thing too much to ask?

 

[ALGFLYR]

MDA...

The original intent was that MDA was to operated as a division.....

So the agreement was modified, yet you hang your claim to seniority status on what the "intent" was?

I'll be the first to admit that the way MDA was handled by ALPA and the company was messed up. The agreements were changed so many times it was hard to keep track and most were confused how it actually worked. There are lawsuits and grievances filed over the MDA mess, but these are not solved overnight. One day we will eventually find out the truth.


ALPA agreed to this and the LOA was re-written to prohibit current mainline pilots from bidding for MDA positions.

So, basically, you had to be furloughed in order to get a job at MDA (if you were mainline).

Yes, that is what was finally agreed to. But those furloughed pilots that went, were being recalled to mainline. It was an improper recall and many were affected. This will also be grieved.

This is no different than allowing Metro-Jet to operate the SAME aircraft in the US Airways system under different pay rates for the pilots...

Except that there was no prohibition on who could bid a Metrojet position, was there?

No, I don't think so

It's obviously exactly the same, except where it's completely different.

Exactly. It is very confusing! But once a furloughed pilot went to MDA, he was no longer furloughed. If a '99 hire was furloughed in 2002, he had 4 years longevity. If he went to MDA for 2 years, when he got recalled in 2007, he was back at mainline with 6 years of longevity. Credit was given for MDA time because it was mainline.

Did AA flowbacks get credit for their time at Eagle?

You can tell yourself as often as you like that this is about representation, but that statement is far more revealing of your, and USAPA's, character, than any justification you can make for dumping ALPA.

Well, like Trainer8, I am at the bottom of the seniority list and the Nic award really doesn't affect me either way. I personally think fences would have been a way to live with the Nic award...

 

[trainer8]

Like I thought, nothing to see here.

What likely happened was that some pre-trial motion by ALPA counsel was denied by the court.

Lemme guess, was it for "summary judgment/dismissal" by chance?

That's what "hearings" are for.

You aren't even at trial yet, and you're ready to claim victory.

Yep, we'll stay tuned.:laugh:

I only said you may be a prophet...

T8