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Crash Pad

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So I'm watching the evening news and the FAA is pissed. I thought this was a blip on some statistical board of "who gives a sh!t" but apparently if you ball up a plane in the Northeast for no reason the government notices.

I have often held that until we start crashing airplanes nothing in this industry will change. I was not willing to take one for the team but it looks like somebody was.

Tonight the head of the FAA said that he didn't want to wait for the NTSB... a rules change was going to happen. Looking at a max 12 hour duty day... The 250 hour wonder... Checkride pass rates... etc.

Unions have been fighting for this stuff for years with no result. The duty rules haven't changed in 40 years. This accident has the potential to offset the age 65 problem.

So seriously to the pinnacle crew who balled up the empty RJ laughing all the way down. The Colgan crew that left the power at idle. Thanks for taking one for the team.
 
Crash Pad said:
So I'm watching the evening news and the FAA is pissed. I thought this was a blip on some statistical board of "who gives a sh!t" but apparently if you ball up a plane in the Northeast for no reason the government notices.

I have often held that until we start crashing airplanes nothing in this industry will change. I was not willing to take one for the team but it looks like somebody was.

Tonight the head of the FAA said that he didn't want to wait for the NTSB... a rules change was going to happen. Looking at a max 12 hour duty day... The 250 hour wonder... Checkride pass rates... etc.

Unions have been fighting for this stuff for years with no result. The duty rules haven't changed in 40 years. This accident has the potential to offset the age 65 problem.

So seriously to the pinnacle crew who balled up the empty RJ laughing all the way down. The Colgan crew that left the power at idle. Thanks for taking one for the team.
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im sure the pleasure is not all theirs...
 
Crash Pad said:
So I'm watching the evening news and the FAA is pissed. I thought this was a blip on some statistical board of "who gives a sh!t" but apparently if you ball up a plane in the Northeast for no reason the government notices.

I have often held that until we start crashing airplanes nothing in this industry will change. I was not willing to take one for the team but it looks like somebody was.

Tonight the head of the FAA said that he didn't want to wait for the NTSB... a rules change was going to happen. Looking at a max 12 hour duty day... The 250 hour wonder... Checkride pass rates... etc.

Unions have been fighting for this stuff for years with no result. The duty rules haven't changed in 40 years. This accident has the potential to offset the age 65 problem.

So seriously to the pinnacle crew who balled up the empty RJ laughing all the way down. The Colgan crew that left the power at idle. Thanks for taking one for the team.
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Hey, if you are going to try to be mr. awesome, dont forget to thank Comair for taking off on the wrong runway!
 
Another classy post on FI. Nice job, Mr. Feminine Cleansing Product. Shouldn't we thank the 48 innocent folks who go immolated in the Colgan accident? Didn't they take "one for the team" as well? I am sure their families would be so comforted to know that their sacrifice was well worth it. I mean, who WOULDN'T want to lose a family member in a horrible accident?

If the FAA does finally move on this, the only reason is because the body count has finally reached whatever threshold it had to for change to occur. Moreover, don't count your chickens before they hatch! Until the rules are actually made the only thing that has changed is the amount of hot air emanating from inside the Beltway in D.C.

Next weeks forecast? 90% chance of scattered blame laying, with a chance of knee jerk reactions. A frontal system of political hubris can also be expected to impact the industry...
 
whoa nelly, lowlypropcapt....! A lot of these people have never heard such complicated sentence structure and concepts before. I do like the weatherman bit though.

Call a d0uche a d0uche, the thread will be more amusing that way.
 
zasca said:
whoa nelly, lowlypropcapt....! A lot of these people have never heard such complicated sentence structure and concepts before. I do like the weatherman bit though.

Call a d0uche a d0uche, the thread will be more amusing that way.
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It is funny... The more I drink the better my english becomes!

Apparently so does my predilection for pointing out the d0uchebaggery of some of the posts I see on here.
 
Crash Pad said:
So seriously to the pinnacle crew who balled up the empty RJ laughing all the way down. The Colgan crew that left the power at idle. Thanks for taking one for the team.
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I'm thinking you could have worded that with a little more sensitivity!

It's sad our industry rules have to change based on tragic events. It's more sad that the evidence has been there all along and nothing has been done about it until we loose lives.
 
What's sad is they tried to lay it all on the crew in particular and avoid any kind of changes that would cost the airlines money to implement. That sh!t didn't stick to the wall, so now they have to actually do something. Hopefully it won't just be access to everyone's private data without changing minimum qualifications (ATP and TT), pay, and crew rest as well. You know airline management is screaming murder to the fed on any changes that may cost them money. Sh!t roles down hill though, so watch out.
 
i fly boxes said:
Hey, if you are going to try to be mr. awesome, dont forget to thank Comair for taking off on the wrong runway!
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As an aside, said wrong runway no longer exists. Good riddance.
 
How is this 12 hour duty day going to affect our pay? Will the airlines use us more efficiently or be cornered into using us less?
 
Crash Pad said:
So I'm watching the evening news and the FAA is pissed. I thought this was a blip on some statistical board of "who gives a sh!t" but apparently if you ball up a plane in the Northeast for no reason the government notices.

I have often held that until we start crashing airplanes nothing in this industry will change. I was not willing to take one for the team but it looks like somebody was.

Tonight the head of the FAA said that he didn't want to wait for the NTSB... a rules change was going to happen. Looking at a max 12 hour duty day... The 250 hour wonder... Checkride pass rates... etc.

Unions have been fighting for this stuff for years with no result. The duty rules haven't changed in 40 years. This accident has the potential to offset the age 65 problem.

So seriously to the pinnacle crew who balled up the empty RJ laughing all the way down. The Colgan crew that left the power at idle. Thanks for taking one for the team.
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You must be such a great pilot that you got hired by that airline with the perfect safety record! Which one was that again?
 
Grinder10 said:
Shorter duty days = Less efficient pairings = Less days off
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I don't know what rules you fly under, but I am limited to eight hours flight time per day. I would call 8 hours flight time in a 12 hour period more efficient than 8 hours in a 16 hour period. I hate sitting around the airport.
 
Crash Pad said:
So seriously to the pinnacle crew who balled up the empty RJ laughing all the way down. The Colgan crew that left the power at idle. Thanks for taking one for the team.
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You're a dick!!
 
This will lead to less days off, less efficient pairings and requiring you to count commuting time as duty time. This will lead to a significant pay cut for regional pilots since your commuting time will be counted as duty time. This will lead to less time in a duty period for you to fly a revenue flight. If it takes you 6hrs to commute to your base, you will only be left with 6hrs in which to fly revenue trips. This paycut will offset the increase in costs that the airlines will feel.

But remember, YOU ASKED FOR IT!
 
rtmcfi said:
I don't know what rules you fly under, but I am limited to eight hours flight time per day. I would call 8 hours flight time in a 12 hour period more efficient than 8 hours in a 16 hour period. I hate sitting around the airport.
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Do you really think that you will get 8 hrs block in a 12 hr duty day? My days are usually a 12-13 hrs with just short of 8hrs block. Cutting it to 12 hrs would trim of that last leg and make it a little more than 6 hrs per day at best. This is gonna be great. We'll all be extraordinarily well rested, making little more than guarantee, and come home to find that our families have packed up and left because they only get to see us 8-10 days a month. But at least we'll sleep well!:erm:
 
Pehaps it will bring about pay for every hour you are on duty now. No more working for free, pre flight, post flight, show times etc, etc can all be paid in the future!

Pay start of duty day till end of duty day.. I like it.
 
Grinder10 said:
Do you really think that you will get 8 hrs block in a 12 hr duty day?

My days are usually a 12-13 hrs with just short of 8hrs block.
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According to you, you usually get 8 hours in 12-13, so yes, I really do think I will get close to 8 hours in a 12 hour duty day. The last two days of my last trip had block times of 7:45ish, and duty times of 11 hours. The airlines will trim your turn times rather than hire another pilot. Even with 6 hours in 12, a four day trip will still credit 24 hours. That is not too shabby.
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lineflyer1 said:
Pehaps it will bring about pay for every hour you are on duty now. No more working for free, pre flight, post flight, show times etc, etc can all be paid in the future!

Pay start of duty day till end of duty day.. I like it.
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This solves very little.

Airlines would still compete on who can run the cheapest shop, so you can take your 30 bucks an hour and considder it reduced to 15 under that system.

It would give the airlines incentive to produce schedules with less duty time, but your overall compensation wouldn't change.
 
I was thinking... Shorter duty day=less efficient pairings. More pilots required to do the same amount of flying. See what I'm getting at.

To the guy who said I didn't mention comair. There crash stayed in the news for a week. They should get mention for setting the table.

Colgans crash was a gem. The guy had failed checkrides. The girl discussing her delayed upgrade but happy to get some time in snow. Then they crash because they performed a stall spin with two operative engines. Oh yeah and this layed a paper trail to gulfstream... The only thing that would have made this accident better would have been if Mesa did it and went out of buisness.

If I ball up an airplane one day I hope it is such a steaming pile of poop that the FAA has to change rules. That is all I'm saying. Oh yeah and hold my beer watch this!
 
Crash Pad said:
I was thinking... Shorter duty day=less efficient pairings. More pilots required to do the same amount of flying. See what I'm getting at.
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What airline do you know of that would rather hire more pilots than work their current pilots to the extent of the law(more days per month).
 

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