Thankyou to Colgan/Pinnacle

[Browntothebone]

This will lead to less days off, less efficient pairings and requiring you to count commuting time as duty time. This will lead to a significant pay cut for regional pilots since your commuting time will be counted as duty time. This will lead to less time in a duty period for you to fly a revenue flight. If it takes you 6hrs to commute to your base, you will only be left with 6hrs in which to fly revenue trips. This paycut will offset the increase in costs that the airlines will feel.

But remember, YOU ASKED FOR IT!

 

[Grinder10]

I don't know what rules you fly under, but I am limited to eight hours flight time per day. I would call 8 hours flight time in a 12 hour period more efficient than 8 hours in a 16 hour period. I hate sitting around the airport.

Do you really think that you will get 8 hrs block in a 12 hr duty day? My days are usually a 12-13 hrs with just short of 8hrs block. Cutting it to 12 hrs would trim of that last leg and make it a little more than 6 hrs per day at best. This is gonna be great. We'll all be extraordinarily well rested, making little more than guarantee, and come home to find that our families have packed up and left because they only get to see us 8-10 days a month. But at least we'll sleep well!:erm:

 

[lineflyer1]

Pehaps it will bring about pay for every hour you are on duty now. No more working for free, pre flight, post flight, show times etc, etc can all be paid in the future!

Pay start of duty day till end of duty day.. I like it.

 

[rtmcfi]

Do you really think that you will get 8 hrs block in a 12 hr duty day?

My days are usually a 12-13 hrs with just short of 8hrs block.

According to you, you usually get 8 hours in 12-13, so yes, I really do think I will get close to 8 hours in a 12 hour duty day. The last two days of my last trip had block times of 7:45ish, and duty times of 11 hours. The airlines will trim your turn times rather than hire another pilot. Even with 6 hours in 12, a four day trip will still credit 24 hours. That is not too shabby.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

RE: Fatigue...

you need to step up and do what's safe, not what they tell you is safe.

That only works in theory. You lose your job otherwise.

 

[Jar Jar]

Pehaps it will bring about pay for every hour you are on duty now. No more working for free, pre flight, post flight, show times etc, etc can all be paid in the future!

Pay start of duty day till end of duty day.. I like it.

This solves very little.

Airlines would still compete on who can run the cheapest shop, so you can take your 30 bucks an hour and considder it reduced to 15 under that system.

It would give the airlines incentive to produce schedules with less duty time, but your overall compensation wouldn't change.

 

[WayBack]

Shorter duty days = Less efficient pairings = Less days off

This is where the Unions you pay your dues to, needs to nut up and keep your days off the same.

 

[Crash Pad]

I was thinking... Shorter duty day=less efficient pairings. More pilots required to do the same amount of flying. See what I'm getting at.

To the guy who said I didn't mention comair. There crash stayed in the news for a week. They should get mention for setting the table.

Colgans crash was a gem. The guy had failed checkrides. The girl discussing her delayed upgrade but happy to get some time in snow. Then they crash because they performed a stall spin with two operative engines. Oh yeah and this layed a paper trail to gulfstream... The only thing that would have made this accident better would have been if Mesa did it and went out of buisness.

If I ball up an airplane one day I hope it is such a steaming pile of poop that the FAA has to change rules. That is all I'm saying. Oh yeah and hold my beer watch this!

 

[brokeflyer]

That only works in theory. You lose your job otherwise.

Then it deserves to be lost. You'd rather work unsafe?

It ain't worth it. If you fail safety because you fear for your job, then you just became the reason it's unsafe.

 

[DeltaLima21]

I was thinking... Shorter duty day=less efficient pairings. More pilots required to do the same amount of flying. See what I'm getting at.

What airline do you know of that would rather hire more pilots than work their current pilots to the extent of the law(more days per month).

 

[Airscrew]

So I'm watching the evening news and the FAA is pissed. I thought this was a blip on some statistical board of "who gives a sh!t" but apparently if you ball up a plane in the Northeast for no reason the government notices.

I have often held that until we start crashing airplanes nothing in this industry will change. I was not willing to take one for the team but it looks like somebody was.

Tonight the head of the FAA said that he didn't want to wait for the NTSB... a rules change was going to happen. Looking at a max 12 hour duty day... The 250 hour wonder... Checkride pass rates... etc.

Unions have been fighting for this stuff for years with no result. The duty rules haven't changed in 40 years. This accident has the potential to offset the age 65 problem.

So seriously to the pinnacle crew who balled up the empty RJ laughing all the way down. The Colgan crew that left the power at idle. Thanks for taking one for the team.

FUMF

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fumf

 

[PCL_128]

We have a 12 hour max duty day at AirTran and still average 15 days off. Some lines go to 18 days off. I don't know where some of you guys get this idea that 12 hours is so difficult for the pairing generator to figure out.

 

[WayBack]

We have a 12 hour max duty day at AirTran and still average 15 days off. Some lines go to 18 days off. I don't know where some of you guys get this idea that 12 hours is so difficult for the pairing generator to figure out.

Wow, and they got that without ALPO!

 

[TheInsider]

So I'm watching the evening news and the FAA is pissed. I thought this was a blip on some statistical board of "who gives a sh!t" but apparently if you ball up a plane in the Northeast for no reason the government notices.

I have often held that until we start crashing airplanes nothing in this industry will change. I was not willing to take one for the team but it looks like somebody was.

Tonight the head of the FAA said that he didn't want to wait for the NTSB... a rules change was going to happen. Looking at a max 12 hour duty day... The 250 hour wonder... Checkride pass rates... etc.

Unions have been fighting for this stuff for years with no result. The duty rules haven't changed in 40 years. This accident has the potential to offset the age 65 problem.

So seriously to the pinnacle crew who balled up the empty RJ laughing all the way down. The Colgan crew that left the power at idle. Thanks for taking one for the team.

Still doesn't solve the fact that FAA's own flight training manuals, FAR's, and PTS are flawed in regards to training and checking. The unfortunate crew of the Colgan flight was improperly trained from day one but this issue is so complex and so far beyond the FAA's and most instructors comprehension that they most likely never will be changed. I am glad that the FAA is finally looking at fatigue and duty-times though. This particular accident was unrelated to fatigue as the pilots did not recognize that the aircraft got dangerously slow and when it stalled their reaction was totally innapropriate.

 

[samfu_1]

Next weeks forecast? 90% chance of scattered blame laying, with a chance of knee jerk reactions. A frontal system of political hubris can also be expected to impact the industry...

LowlyPropCapt..... WELL PUT!!!
BRAVO (or BRAVA if you are a woman)

 

[Indy319FA]

Yeah, I just noticed that runway in LEX has been decommissioned. Hope they mill the blacktop down to grade so no one will be tempted to use it again!

Actually they are moving and realigning the runway. When it is finished 8/26 will be longer and will not intersect 4/22.

 

[blesko]

As an aside, said wrong runway no longer exists. Good riddance.

They are adding over 1000 feet to the runway and labeling it now 9/27 when the project is completed Q1 2010

 

[blesko]

We have a 12 hour max duty day at AirTran and still average 15 days off. Some lines go to 18 days off. I don't know where some of you guys get this idea that 12 hours is so difficult for the pairing generator to figure out.

So the 12 duty day was there when you got to airtran. What do YOU do to bring it to your previous regional when you were there since we dont understand how to make it happen at ours?????

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

LowlyPropCapt..... WELL PUT!!!
BRAVO (or BRAVA if you are a woman)

Male, last I checked! :beer:

 

[PCL_128]

So the 12 duty day was there when you got to airtran. What do YOU do to bring it to your previous regional when you were there since we dont understand how to make it happen at ours?????

What?