Thanks AirTran MEC!

[Muppets]

I hope you guys understand this is literally 10-15 of the 1700+ pilots at the tranny. The deal will pass over 90% guaranteed. Dont waste your summer worrying about this...

 

[jonjuan]

It'll be a 50%+1 vote over on the SW side, either way, probably voted down because of the harm inflicted to our group.

I sincerely hope that the rumors are all BS, and something far more fair and equitable is in the AIP.

IMO, it'll be 85% yes at sw.

 

[Cometman]

BTW, you lecturing us on matters of the law is even more comical than PCL issuing condescending barbs and insults about how much he knows about labor law.

Funny, PCL disappeared like a fart in the wind after he and the rest of the ALPO MEC found out that things actually could go down the way he said they couldn't. Hmph.

Anybody know where on the seniority list PCL is located? Is he a Captain or First Officer?

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

Fo. I think about 5-6 year.

 

[Cometman]

Fo. I think about 5-6 year.

No wonder why he is quiet. He is probably starting to negotiate with SWAPA so he can become some kind of union rep with them so he will not have to fly the line.

 

[OurMoney1]

You are so confused and distorted you dont know who to be barking at.

ALPA national has little to do with what local elected officials are doing. Sounds like you are whining in front of the wrong house.

Elect unprofessional tools at the local level and the product going out is going to be crap.

 

[Sy-bill]

I will be the first to admit that I early on strongly recommended a negotiated settlement would be better for the AT guys than an arbitrated one. But I would have never imagined that AT would have agreed to what has been leaked if true. I change my mind. Arbitration could likely produce better results.

Why not. What more is there to lose?

 

[redflyer65]

This whole thing is incredible. Two Union members removed from service, and plenty of AAI pilots saying it's just business as usual. Appearantly it was early tremors of things to come. You couldn't make this stuff up.

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

Why not. What more is there to lose?

A career at SWA. If this goes to Arbitration there is a very real chance SWA will never integrate AirTran.

For some reason many AAI Pilots just don't seem to understand this.

Personally I hope the AAI Pilot group votes it down. They have done so much to piss off Gary et al from the beginning that this would be the final nail in the coffin.

 

[redflyer65]

A career at SWA. If this goes to Arbitration there is a very real chance SWA will never integrate AirTran.

For some reason many AAI Pilots just don't seem to understand this.

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Very true.

 

[Fubijaakr]

A career at SWA. If this goes to Arbitration there is a very real chance SWA will never integrate AirTran.

Oh, please. Who do you think you're threatening with that red herring? Do you seriously think SWA will dump the entire merger if it goes to an arbitrator?

In fact, that's probably what management would like to see. It keeps their skirts nice and clean if the SLI doesn't go their way. "Well, we said no SWA pilot would be hurt, but the arbitrator decided differently. Its not OUR fault...blame (insert name here)."

In the mean time you dorks launch all kinds of legal challenges at each other. The result of that? SWA operates AAI independently and saves a boatload of money on AAI pilot costs.

Do you all really want to become the new pickleballers? Poster boys for seniority grab greed, all the while working for MUCH less than you could be earning. USAir Easties are taking it in the wallet EVERY MONTH because they can't let go of the DoH devil.

That's a classic example of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Do you really want to go down that road?

 

[shagadelic]

Oh, please. Do you seriously think SWA will dump the entire merger if it goes to an arbitrator?

Nope, just the 717's.

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

Oh, please. Do you seriously think SWA will dump the entire merger if it goes to an arbitrator?

No, SWA wouldn't stop the ACQUISITION. What would happen is that the AAI pilots would have nothing to do with it.

You need to learn your SWA history and read up on Transtar/Muse. SWA has done this before, and they will do it again. Gary will protect his employees first and foremost. AAI pilots ARE NOT employees or SWA. Yet. Whether they get to be a SWA employee is up to them.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Nope, just the 717's.

They're going to dump the 717s in any case. They bought AAI for two things...ATL and the 737 order book. Every one of those AAI orders can be easily converted to -800s, allowing SWA to "jump the line" in order to get the airplanes they really want.

AAI pilots need to realize that if there is no SLI agreement when the 717s start departing, they'll get furloughed and end up stapled to the bottom of the SWA list in any case.

Getting this thing done expeditiously is in EVERYONE'S interest.

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

Do you all really want to become the new pickleballers? Poster boys for seniority grab greed, all the while working for MUCH less than you could be earning. USAir Easties are taking it in the wallet EVERY MONTH because they can't let go of the DoH devil.

That's a classic example of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Do you really want to go down that road?

I would ask the same thing of you.

They is a very good reason pilots were bailing on AAI left and right. Many came to SWA.

Name one pilot that left SWA to come to AAI.

Just one.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Listen, LRJ, I know all about Transtar/Muse/Morris. What you seem to forget is those are ANCIENT history. There have been a few changes in the industry in the last 20 years, Bond/McCaskill being first and foremost.

You are already too far down the merger path to back out now because of a pilot seniority dispute. SWA has always been great about employee relations, but if you think anyone in the puzzle palace gives a rat's ass about where YOU fall on the seniority list, you're living in a dream world, Ace.

All any airline manager cares about is having enough butts to fill the seats.

 

[Fubijaakr]

I would ask the same thing of you.

They is a very good reason pilots were bailing on AAI left and right. Many came to SWA.

Hey, I don't work for either company. Just trying to inject some reason into the conversation.

You really need to check your ego at the door. You're no better or worse than any other pilot in the U.S. with an ATP, you've just had a bit too much Canyon Blue Kool-Aid.

AAI pilots can bring a lot of new blood into the incestuous "fighter pilot" mentality that tends to pervade the SWA "culture". Want examples? Look no farther than Capt. Taylor's "3G" radio show. Sadly, that's you guys in a nutshell.

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

Listen, LRJ, I know all about Transtar/Muse/Morris. What you seem to forget is those are ANCIENT history. There have been a few changes in the industry in the last 20 years, Bond/McCaskill being first and foremost.

You are already too far down the merger path to back out now because of a pilot seniority dispute. SWA has always been great about employee relations, but if you think anyone in the puzzle palace gives a rat's ass about where YOU fall on the seniority list, you're living in a dream world, Ace.

All any airline manager cares about is having enough butts to fill the seats.

Bond/MaCaskill only deals with SLI awards. Implementation is another matter all together. If you think you are going to come to SWA and tell our management how to do ANYTHING you are dreaming.

But go ahead, look a gift horse in the mouth and turn this SLI deal down. PLEASE. It would be a dream come true for me.

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

AAI pilots can bring a lot of new blood into the incestuous "fighter pilot" mentality that tends to pervade the SWA "culture". Want examples? Look no farther than Capt. Taylor's "3G" radio show. Sadly, that's you guys in a nutshell.

We don't want your scabs.

 

[Fubijaakr]

But go ahead, look a gift horse in the mouth and turn this SLI deal down. PLEASE. It would be a dream come true for me.

Of course it would. But then, you're one of those numbskulls walking around with "Hired not Acquired" bag tags and staples all over your ID. I've seen you in the airport.

What a piece of work.

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

Of course it would. But then, you're one of those numbskulls walking around with "Hired not Acquired" bag tags and staples all over your ID. I've seen you in the airport.

Well then you haven't seen me because I have no such bag tag nor staple on my ID.

 

[On Your Six]

Nope, just the 717's.

More empty threats? This is getting good, and I personally thought it would. If I were an Airtran pilot, which I am not, and the current rumor leaks are true, I would personally consider arbitration. Godspeed!


OYS

 

[redflyer65]

AAI pilots need to realize that if there is no SLI agreement when the 717s start departing, they'll get furloughed and end up stapled to the bottom of the SWA list in any case.

Fubi,

You are very close with this statement, but what keeps it from happenings sooner rather than later with the 737's?

Tell me where it's written that Gary couldn't start bringing those planes over next week to SW if he were pushed into it. The whole purchase was setup this way for a reason...if not, AAI guys would already be on property.

Going to be very interesting to see what happens if the AAI guys give Gary the 'Thanks, but no thanks' reply.

RF

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

More empty threats? This is getting good, and I personally thought it would. If I were an Airtran pilot, which I am not, and the current rumor leaks are true, I would personally vote for arbitration. Godspeed!


OYS

I hope all Trannies listen to AAI. He knows that he is talking about!

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

Fubi,

You are very close with this statement, but what keeps it from happenings sooner rather than later with the 737's?

Tell me where it's written that Gary couldn't start bringing those planes over next week to SW if he were pushed into it. The whole purchase was setup this way for a reason...if not, AAI guys would already be on property.

Going to be very interesting to see what happens if the AAI guys give Gary the 'Thanks, but no thanks' reply.

RF

The Trannies and their cheerleaders just don't get it.

You aint dealing with your normal labor hating airline here people. SWA takes care of its own FIRST. That is the foundation this whole airline rests upon.

 

[Flycatcher99]

More empty threats? This is getting good, and I personally thought it would. If I were an Airtran pilot, which I am not, and the current rumor leaks are true, I would personally consider arbitration. Godspeed!


OYS

Yes, please, by all means, follow the advice of OYS. Seriously.

After all, he doesn't have the info of what went on inside the inner sanctum in DAL. I know some of you guys do at AAI.

 

[Bake]

Yes, OYS does have the info. SHE knows exactly what she is talking about. She works for AAI.

 

[dicko]

Yes, OYS does have the info. SHE knows exactly what she is talking about. She works for AAI.

You are wrong and I have irrefutable evidence; Only a Delta pilot would describe flying "Corporate big Iron, 319/320" in his profile.

Case closed.

 

[Dan Roman]

Yes, OYS does have the info. SHE knows exactly what she is talking about. She works for AAI.

I see people using the term "she" on here from time to time as a perceived insult. Do you guys think your Mother or Wife or Sister or whatever are somehow inferior humans or something, I mean really, come up with some other kind of more original insult, like maybe Jackwagon or something. She, as an insult makes you sound pretty stupid (unless you are talking about my first wife)

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

I see people using the term "she" on here from time to time as a perceived insult. Do you guys think your Mother or Wife or Sister or whatever are somehow inferior humans or something, I mean really, come up with some other kind of more original insult, like maybe Jackwagon or something. She, as an insult makes you sound pretty stupid (unless you are talking about my first wife)

Lighten up Francis. (The Male version of Francis of course)