bomberbubba
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ImbracableCrunk said:Maybe the captain was sick of being dispatched to KXXX with only 2200ish pounds of fuel.
And maybe when the captain called last time for an alternate, he had a dispatcher sigh and say "You don't need an alternate!" And the captain had to twist his arm just to add one. And the captain ended up going around numerous thunderstorms and was this close to declaring Min Fuel, even though he "didn't need an alternate."
Plus, you've got two good alternates 15 minutes away. Had you noticed the weather change, would you have called them and advised them?
(No, I'm not involved in any way.)
Sounds like someone is a bit bitter with dispatch!! Ouch!! Sounds like you have a story of your own. I hope it didnt involve me!! Im in enough trouble already!
I take it your addressing this to me?? First off what does any of your ramblings have to do with the situation that I described? Obviously the capt agreed to the release without the alternate, since it was signed and he flew up to KXXX. That is one of our joint functions--that of signing the dispatch release only if we both agree that the flight can be made with safety. I guess Im lost on what your trying to say......Are you saying that this captian may have thought he needed an alternate for this particular flight but since he was given grief when calling previously he may have decided not to call this time??? Or is this just part of your story? I dont get what your trying to say??? You can ask a 100 Instrument student pilots to take a look at the wx presented and everyone of those pilots are going to say that an alternate is NOT required. I get your point on if there are t-storms in the vacinity of your destination that it may be prudent to throw on an alternate even though one isnt required by the forecasts or hourly's. But this wasnt the case in this circumstance. And the comment "Plus, you've got two good alternates 15 minutes away" must also be from your story. To answer your question: "Had you noticed the weather change, would you have called them and advised them?" I already said NO in a previous posting. Now to help you understand my reasoning ill post my own question..."Had you noticed the weather go below landing minimums, would you have called them and advised them? ABSOLUTELY!! At this point in the scenario the release can no longer be complied with. Now he is flying to a destination that is below landing minimums without any alternates. Now there is information that affects the safety of the flight!!! I release about 50 flights during my 10 hour shift. In those 50 releases not only do i have to work them up and try to get the computer to send them, but I am responsible for (1) Monitoring the progress of each flight(2) Issuing necessary information for the safety of the flight; and (3) Cancelling or redispatching a flight if, in his opinion or the opinion of the pilot in command, the flight cannot operate or continue to operate safely as planned or released. In the situation that I presented I dont feel like there is any safety of flight issue! So again NO i would not have called them and advised them!! Not at 10SM BKN012 OVC038 or at 2 1/2SM BR OVC008!!!
You see this is the whole point with my example. Obviously the concensus to my 5 origional questions is:
#1 Definately NO.
#2 Definately NO.
#3 Definately YES according to pilots, obviously I disagree with this in this particular circumstance.
#4 Definately NO according to pilots, I have issues with this since #3 is YES.
#5 Definately NO.
At what point does this example become a safety issue that needs to be relayed to the crew? Is it as soon as the hourly wx drops to less than 2000 ft ceiling and less than 3 miles since the flight doesnt have an alternate or at some point in between this point and below landing mins???? Someone please be the almighty one and clarify this for me!!! And after you do...please reference it!!!! I will need the reference for my hearing.
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