Terrorists are practicing....

[rumpletumbler]

El Al profiles very heavily. They have never had a hijacking. We could learn a lot from them.

 

[ATL2CDG]

I would rather you both be detained.

Heil FN FAL!

 

[johnpeace]

And yet, there are still people who think that pilots shouldn't be armed!

And people who think middle eastern males, 21-40 should not be singled out for more rigorous security scrutiny...and erosion of their 'civil rights'.

(I guess as Americans...it's important to protect the muslim extremist terrorist's *right* to train for a hijacking)

 

[TonyC]

Initiating a search of an individual based solely on their race or religious is incredulous.

(Typically only people can be incredulous - - things and activities are incredible.)

Initiating an UNWARRANTED search is illegal. When a person meeting the profile attempts to board an airplane, such a search IS WARRANTED, if we want to protect our skies.

Your example of pulling over cars with tinted windows bears no resemblance to this procedure. We're not advocating searching every person who meets a particular physical profile, regardless of where they are and what they're doing. We're not talking about stopping people on the street or as they walk through a crowded shopping mall. We're talking about people who are attempting to board airplanes. Last check of the constitution revealed no specific right to fly airplanes unencumbered by search.

If you want to travel on the airplane, prove you're not a risk to everyone else, and if you're similar to those who HAVE wreaked havoc on the industry and our nation, the burden of proof just got a little tougher. Fair? Nope. Reasonable? You bet.

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

How did I miss this one?

It's going to be a shame if we get attacked in the same manner again, because we didn't want to racially profile.

Right or not, I have my eyes wide open around arabs anymore.

 

[inline]

... freedom and justice for all...
...all Americans...
...all white Americans...
...all white Americans who speak English...
...all white Americans who speak English and own property...
...all white Americans who speak English, own property and are Protestant Christians...

That sounds about right... Glad to see we're moving in the "right" direction.

Anybody seen my swastika armband and flag?

More PC bull$hit. When's the last time a white american hijacked an airliner and used it to slaughter innocents? We would be moving in the right direstion if Pres Bush would fire that pathetic Sec. of Transportation, Norm Mineta, a politically correct hack if ther ever was one. You think it's bad now? If Kerry gets in the White House he'll bring a hundred Norm Minetas.

That flag you're asking about? is it white? Go ahead and surrender. Not me.

 

[Tripower455]

I mean, we ALL know that criminals love tinted windows to conceal their devious activities while on the road.

Funny that you mentioned this.... I drove a full sized pickup for over 10 years. In all that time, I was never pulled over for no reason, and only pulled over twice for speeding. I've been driving a Formula Firebird for the last 3 years, and have been pulled over 4 times for absolutely no reason (usually get some BS reason from the cop, like the tag light is too dim...), other than the fact that I was in a "sporty" car. The reason for this is that the average person who drive these types of cars are young, aggressive drivers, so they DO profile based on the type of car.

 

[chawbein]

Back to the origional point....

Everyone just sat there and watched (what would have been) their impending doom. THAT is sad. I guess we haven't learned a goshdarned thing.

 

[mar]

Ask TonyC

When's the last time a white american hijacked an airliner and used it to slaughter innocents?

The last time I can think of was at FedEx. Nobody got "slaughtered" but it wasn't for lack of trying.

Regardless, give me and others who want it a national ID card. I'm tired of the whole stinking mess. Let everyone else get wanded.

 

[Tripower455]

The last time I can think of was at FedEx.

IIRC, he wasn't white..........

 

[rvsm410]

It's called due process. Initiating a search of an individual based solely on their race or religious is incredulous. Yes, 19 Muslims of Middle Eastern origin attacked our nation. However, there are MILLIONS of people meeting the same 'profile' that have never done a thing to hurt Americans or American interests. I would say odds favor that a random selection of Middle Eastern Muslims will yield more innocence than guilt.

How would you feel if you were pulled over and your vehicle searched by a local law enforcement authority based SOLELY on the fact that your automobile windows are tinted? I mean, we ALL know that criminals love tinted windows to conceal their devious activities while on the road. As such, ALL cars with tinted windows are suspects. I would imagine you'd be up in arms, suing every level of jurisdiction that you could. What makes the profiling of you as a suspect any less criminal than the other covered in this thread?

Good example: tinted windows......dont come to Florida...the cops do this ALL the time, in fact it is well known that if you have dark tinted windows, you better put them all down if you get pulled or expect a rough go of it with the cops....is this profiling?? yes of course it is, why? because many many law enforcement officers have been killed because they could not see who or what was going on behind that Tinted glass!!!...
How many attacks on our soil do you need to think out side the ACLU box????
How about if your wife, kids or family were on the next flight with 19 M.E. men on board decided at the LAV to put together that Plastic explosive? you know the material that only a Dog could recognize.....how many of you're loved ones do you need killed in the name of being PC by "Proven" NON-US CITIZENs before you would cry out for changes???

Did you loose someone in 9-11??? if you did maybe you feel different.....

 

[Snakum]

IIRC, he wasn't white..........

True. Auburn Calloway was an African-American, so he wasn't white. He was more of a medium umber, as I hear it.



Minh

 

[NuGuy]

How did I miss this one?


It's going to be a shame if we get attacked in the same manner again, because we didn't want to racially profile.

Right or not, I have my eyes wide open around arabs anymore.

If this kind of thing happens again, the resulting lurch to the "right" that the country will take will make post-9/11 America look like Berekley during a multicultural festival.

It will look like the movie "The Siege", except this time, Bruce Willis will get his way.

Nu

 

[Swede]

Here's whats scary... every component of a powerful bomb can easily walk right through a metal detector. At a bare minimum, you need the main charge, booster/detonator, and an ignition source. All of these can be made completely non-metallic.

Few people know that stable, military-grade liquid explosives exist. That liter of Scotch? Might be 5 pounds of a liquid fully as energetic as C4 or Semtex. And if the bad guys don't want to suicide, think how easy it would be to create a timer from a travel alarm.

TSA is a joke. Magnetometers are a farce. There have ALWAYS been glass-filled nylon edged weapons far more dangerous than box cutters available by mail-order. Strap one to your ankle, stroll right on board, start slitting throats.

I'm awed by people who want to sit back, relax, and let the federal govt protect us.

Profile, arm pilots, do whatever it takes. What's the BFD with profiling? So it takes the guy an extra 15 minutes to get to his plane? It's not like we are sticking a soldering iron up his behind, or raping his family in front of him, ala Saddam et al. It's a freaking WAR. What does it take for some people to understand this?

 

[RightPedal]

Here's whats scary... every component of a powerful bomb can easily walk right through a metal detector. At a bare minimum, you need the main charge, booster/detonator, and an ignition source. All of these can be made completely non-metallic.

Few people know that stable, military-grade liquid explosives exist. That liter of Scotch? Might be 5 pounds of a liquid fully as energetic as C4 or Semtex. And if the bad guys don't want to suicide, think how easy it would be to create a timer from a travel alarm.

TSA is a joke. Magnetometers are a farce. There have ALWAYS been glass-filled nylon edged weapons far more dangerous than box cutters available by mail-order. Strap one to your ankle, stroll right on board, start slitting throats.

I'm awed by people who want to sit back, relax, and let the federal govt protect us.

Profile, arm pilots, do whatever it takes. What's the BFD with profiling? So it takes the guy an extra 15 minutes to get to his plane? It's not like we are sticking a soldering iron up his behind, or raping his family in front of him, ala Saddam et al. It's a freaking WAR. What does it take for some people to understand this?

Well said I think.
I also beleive that all americans should be armed, trained and have a Permit. Not just to CCW but to let the system know that we WILL handle it if you don't. I know many, many Americans that carry everyday, and I am one of them. It's a big responsibility but it's the American thing to do and I don't care what anybody else thinks.
I PROFILE, WE ALL SHOULD.