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100LL... Again!
youwantapieceofme??
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atlcd2g
So is was flamebait, then? I am very happy to find out that you are not that stupid. Realize that you are discrediting a biunch of very intelligent and rational folks who are aware of the very real threat.
Increasing screening on young arab males who are NOT US CITIZENS is hardly a blow to civil rights. It is a necessary evil.
I am sorry that your idealism is the type that will cost lives. Sadly, most idealists create rules that OTHERS must suffer under, while they themselves are exempt.
Your insane need for over the top political correctness apparently trumps your respect for the lives of your fellow Americans.
When you love ideas more than people, true tyranny results. You are a tyrant of sorts. You really need to realize this.
So is was flamebait, then? I am very happy to find out that you are not that stupid. Realize that you are discrediting a biunch of very intelligent and rational folks who are aware of the very real threat.
Increasing screening on young arab males who are NOT US CITIZENS is hardly a blow to civil rights. It is a necessary evil.
I am sorry that your idealism is the type that will cost lives. Sadly, most idealists create rules that OTHERS must suffer under, while they themselves are exempt.
Your insane need for over the top political correctness apparently trumps your respect for the lives of your fellow Americans.
When you love ideas more than people, true tyranny results. You are a tyrant of sorts. You really need to realize this.
enigma
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Hey ATL2CDG, do you have some special protection from muslim terrorism?
In full rant mode.
Is your idealism going to protect you if you happen to be on the next targeted airliner, or will they kill you along with all the rest of the innocent passengers?
In some ways I admire your ideals, freedom and equal treatment for all humans regardless of national origin and citizenship is a noteworthy goal, but you seem to be ignoring reality. It doesn't matter why, but these people don't like us. They want to kill us.
I'm sure that you will try and show equivilency between our military actions and their civilian actions. All I can say is that we play be the rules. They do not. You might not like our presence in the middle east, and you may not like our support of Israel, but we do so in a legal civilized manner. Obviously, you don't like the fact that we attacked Iraq. But we did so with international law on our side. We go out of our way to wage war in such a way as to limit the bloodshed to uniformed military personel. Yes, civilians get hurt as a byproduct of war, but we have made an honest attempt to wage a war that minimizes civilian casualties. Quit blaming their problems on us. They've got so dang much liquid gold in their countries that they could rule the world if they weren't so flipping backward in their civilization. You know, liberals like you hate the men of this country who hold ideas similar to the radical muslims. The role of women is a good example.
Rant mode off.
Now back to the subject. Here's the facts, muslim terrorists perpatrated terror and murder against Americans. We know who the enemy is, why do we ignore the enemy? I'm quite sincere in my opening question, do you have special protection against their next murder? If not, I would think that you would want to stop the next attack just as much as I want to stop the next attack. Yet you continue to support ideas that give the terrorists a helping hand.
What's up with that?
BTW, I've come to realize that the terrorists are now attempting to utilize persons such as Tim McVeigh (the so called "lily whites" someone else mentioned), so I'm not as hot for profiling as I once was, but you've got to admit that having 16 individuals who fit the terrorist profile board one airliner should set warning bells aringing.
enigma
In full rant mode.
Is your idealism going to protect you if you happen to be on the next targeted airliner, or will they kill you along with all the rest of the innocent passengers?
In some ways I admire your ideals, freedom and equal treatment for all humans regardless of national origin and citizenship is a noteworthy goal, but you seem to be ignoring reality. It doesn't matter why, but these people don't like us. They want to kill us.
I'm sure that you will try and show equivilency between our military actions and their civilian actions. All I can say is that we play be the rules. They do not. You might not like our presence in the middle east, and you may not like our support of Israel, but we do so in a legal civilized manner. Obviously, you don't like the fact that we attacked Iraq. But we did so with international law on our side. We go out of our way to wage war in such a way as to limit the bloodshed to uniformed military personel. Yes, civilians get hurt as a byproduct of war, but we have made an honest attempt to wage a war that minimizes civilian casualties. Quit blaming their problems on us. They've got so dang much liquid gold in their countries that they could rule the world if they weren't so flipping backward in their civilization. You know, liberals like you hate the men of this country who hold ideas similar to the radical muslims. The role of women is a good example.
Rant mode off.
Now back to the subject. Here's the facts, muslim terrorists perpatrated terror and murder against Americans. We know who the enemy is, why do we ignore the enemy? I'm quite sincere in my opening question, do you have special protection against their next murder? If not, I would think that you would want to stop the next attack just as much as I want to stop the next attack. Yet you continue to support ideas that give the terrorists a helping hand.
What's up with that?
BTW, I've come to realize that the terrorists are now attempting to utilize persons such as Tim McVeigh (the so called "lily whites" someone else mentioned), so I'm not as hot for profiling as I once was, but you've got to admit that having 16 individuals who fit the terrorist profile board one airliner should set warning bells aringing.
enigma
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If 16 ME men all acting suspicious on an aircraft doesn't set off red flags to you ATL2CDG you are missing a few screws. Sometimes I really wonder about you and why you play devil advocate to everything. 1 guy acting suspicious gets my attention. I just wish you were on that plane to TALK all 16 into taking their seats and stop acting suspicious. After all YOU are the voice of reason.
ATL2CDG
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enigma :
No, I neither have or deserve any special protection from the Muslim fundamentalists.
Regarding my views about security and freedom, your own signature sums it up nicely : «Those who would trade freedom for security, deserve neither.» I think I've made my position on this topic quite clear and I see no need to reiterate my opinions.
Lastly, to my recollection, I have never «blamed their problems on us».
No, I neither have or deserve any special protection from the Muslim fundamentalists.
Regarding my views about security and freedom, your own signature sums it up nicely : «Those who would trade freedom for security, deserve neither.» I think I've made my position on this topic quite clear and I see no need to reiterate my opinions.
Lastly, to my recollection, I have never «blamed their problems on us».
ATL2CDG
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Pilot124 :
If you would take the time to re-read all of my contributions to this specific thread, you would see that I have never claimed that sixteen persons of Middle Eastern origin acting questionably would not cause me to be suspicious. All of my remarks to this topic have been in regard to the forced screening of all persons of Middle Eastern origin without just cause or due process. In-depth seaching of ALL persons meeting this criteria is, in my humble opinion, racism. If a Lebanese family of four arrive at the gate, the father is a platinum frequent flyer and the purchase was made 3 months in advance, I would feel advanced security checks would not be necessary. Now, if fifteen Saudi nationals have cash-purchased, one-way tickets that were bought within 2 hours of each other within the past week, that would be cause for concern.
I've never claimed that I could persuade the suspects to take their seats.
I've never claimed to be the voice of reason ; I am simply the voice of an independent-minded, decently-well educated, very bored, radical 24 year old American male. If you want reason, this forum is the wrong place to be in search of it.
If you would take the time to re-read all of my contributions to this specific thread, you would see that I have never claimed that sixteen persons of Middle Eastern origin acting questionably would not cause me to be suspicious. All of my remarks to this topic have been in regard to the forced screening of all persons of Middle Eastern origin without just cause or due process. In-depth seaching of ALL persons meeting this criteria is, in my humble opinion, racism. If a Lebanese family of four arrive at the gate, the father is a platinum frequent flyer and the purchase was made 3 months in advance, I would feel advanced security checks would not be necessary. Now, if fifteen Saudi nationals have cash-purchased, one-way tickets that were bought within 2 hours of each other within the past week, that would be cause for concern.
I've never claimed that I could persuade the suspects to take their seats.
I've never claimed to be the voice of reason ; I am simply the voice of an independent-minded, decently-well educated, very bored, radical 24 year old American male. If you want reason, this forum is the wrong place to be in search of it.
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100LL... Again!
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Bold idealism coming from someone who, as you put it, is on the wrong side of the cockpit door.
What about 15 young saudis who bought tickets anywhere from 4 months to 4 weeks in advance. Do they get off free?
Mark my words:
If we get hit a few more times successfully, the majority of the public will easily be talked into internment camps.
I think a little 'draconian' screening will BENEFIT the nice arabs by preventing the aforementioned scenario. Otherwise, they could be unfairly swept up in the panicky mob mentality that would surely follow. Don't think internment camp could happen in this day and in the US. Think again. Scared people will amaze you with what they are capable of.
I would not care if I got the full strip-search to travel on El Al. If that is what they must do to prevent needless deaths, then okay.
What about 15 young saudis who bought tickets anywhere from 4 months to 4 weeks in advance. Do they get off free?
Mark my words:
If we get hit a few more times successfully, the majority of the public will easily be talked into internment camps.
I think a little 'draconian' screening will BENEFIT the nice arabs by preventing the aforementioned scenario. Otherwise, they could be unfairly swept up in the panicky mob mentality that would surely follow. Don't think internment camp could happen in this day and in the US. Think again. Scared people will amaze you with what they are capable of.
I would not care if I got the full strip-search to travel on El Al. If that is what they must do to prevent needless deaths, then okay.
ATL2CDG
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Ah, yes. The fact that I enjoy working in the service industry and have not the funds or time to secure the needed ratings to be a commercial airline pilot, I have not the intelligence, experience or simple cognitive ability to formulate complex social, political and cultural theories and related desires. Only pilots are able to conjecture or othewise devise various ideas or thoughts on important topics that affect the world.100LL... Again! said:
Nice way to connect two COMPLETELY unrated facts to make a personal jab at me. Care to have at it again?
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Singlecoil
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I did a google search and only found articles written by this Annie Jacobsen person. How come no other news organization has written about this perplexing incident? A vast ACLU conspiracy? Or maybe its all a bunch of Bull$hit? I'm picking the latter. This whole thing doesn't smell right. My Bull$hit annuciator started flashing as soon as she mentioned Ann Coulter. Her credibility vanished just that fast.C601 said:
Does anybody else think this is just bogus internet fiction?
FN FAL
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Actually, whether they were conducting a probing excercise, testing our our ability to track them or whatever...they were successful in one thing, spreading fear on that flight and on anyone that has read the article and reacted with feelings of terror.
They don't have to bomb an airliner or kill anyone to be successful in creating terror. All they have to do is scare people.
They don't have to bomb an airliner or kill anyone to be successful in creating terror. All they have to do is scare people.
EagleRJ
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If they were terrorists on a trial run, they were sure being obvious, weren't they? You don't need 12 guys to assemble a bomb, either. The trips to the lav might have been a way to distribute weapons, but again, why so obvious?
It could be that they were actually musicians who were merely talking to eachother, but they must have been incredibly naiive not to notice that their actions were suspicious.
If I was on the plane, I would have rushed the lav holding my mouth like I was going to be sick. If the guys waiting were musicians who didn't want to get barfed on, they would move out of the way. If they were terrorists, though, and there was a partially-assembled bomb or a pile of knives in the sink, they would have gone ape-sh*t. In that case, their cover would be blown, and the whole cabin would have rushed them.
In these times, you might have to do something like that to test someone's true intentions.
There have been numerous other incidents that are extremely suspicious and probably were probing attempts, but this one doesn't seem right. I'm guessing it was just a combination of indifference and paranoia, maybe flavored a bit by a reporter who needed a story.
It could be that they were actually musicians who were merely talking to eachother, but they must have been incredibly naiive not to notice that their actions were suspicious.
If I was on the plane, I would have rushed the lav holding my mouth like I was going to be sick. If the guys waiting were musicians who didn't want to get barfed on, they would move out of the way. If they were terrorists, though, and there was a partially-assembled bomb or a pile of knives in the sink, they would have gone ape-sh*t. In that case, their cover would be blown, and the whole cabin would have rushed them.
In these times, you might have to do something like that to test someone's true intentions.
There have been numerous other incidents that are extremely suspicious and probably were probing attempts, but this one doesn't seem right. I'm guessing it was just a combination of indifference and paranoia, maybe flavored a bit by a reporter who needed a story.
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