Tell Timmay to f@#$ off

[CitationLover]

Just make sure you push after an AA airplane. That should keep your taxi about the right speed.

If you had to do as much as the AA CA's have to do on taxiing you'd taxi slow. Their checklist philosophy I think reflects the old "FO's cannot be trusted to do anything" philosophy.

Flywolf, do not forget a thorough preflight.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

I wasn't judging them. We all should taxi as cautiously.

 

[FlyWolf]

I have some sad news, ....

I know of at least 5 senior guys who would vote for the pay cut. As we were all talking in the crew lounge they tried to convince me that they have no where to go and they have kids in college etc....,

what hurt me the most when they said that all the guys who are voting against the pay cut are getting furloughed and don't care about sending this airline to BK.

I just about had enough with the idiots we have in this outfit.

 

[FlyWolf]

Midwest have the most divided pilot group I have ever seen.

I say go for it, you deserve it, work for $37/ hour you whores.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I have some sad news, ....

I know of at least 5 senior guys who would vote for the pay cut. As we were all talking in the crew lounge they tried to convince me that they have no where to go and they have kids in college etc....,

what hurt me the most when they said that all the guys who are voting against the pay cut are getting furloughed and don't care about sending this airline to BK.

I just about had enough with the idiots we have in this outfit.

This is where our seniority system bites us in the a$$.....Senior folks usually do whatever may extend things a little longer....The pain of starting over at the bottom is too great....

If we had a real union we would mitigate the effects of seniority and allow some transportability....NWA owns a minority stake in Midwest....Why can't Midwest pilots go to NWA with their seniority/longevity?

Midwest MEC needs to file a PID and try to force a single list with NWA...

If you find a place for these guys they will be more likely to fight....If not, don't expect them to fight much....That's just the reality of the situation.....

 

[FlyWolf]

I wish they can furlough from the top, we have few people who deserve a blanket party in this company.

 

[PCL_128]

MEH management has made a big mistake in this whole abortion of a strategy: they've already made it apparent that half of the pilot group is going to be furloughed. Well, how in the hell are you supposed to convince over 50% of the pilots to vote for concessions when you've already told them that they're losing their jobs anyway? Idiots. If Timmaaaaay had half a brain cell, he would have pushed the concessions before the upcoming furloughs were public knowledge. Now he doesn't stand a chance in hell of getting over 50% to approve them. But, as someone else suggested, maybe that's the plan and he's just looking to the unions as easy scapegoats.

In any case, tell Timaaaaay where he can shove his damned concessions. Worthless c---sucker.

 

[FlyWolf]

BTW, our 3 member MEC will probably loose 2 guys and the Chairman goes to right seat making 37/hour. I wonder if all of a sudden the mec will work harder on the FO pay????????

 

[PCL_128]

I suspect this is part of NWA's plan...

If I were the Midwest MEC I would file a PID with ALPA National and try to get a single list with NWA...

This would be a good test of ALPA national.....Are we in this together....or is still everyone for themselves....

File the PID...protect yourselves....

Wow, you really are a one-trick pony, Joey.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Wow, you really are a one-trick pony, Joey.

What's wrong with Midwest folks getting to go to NWA? A real union would make that happen.....You're right though....ALPA can't be bothered.....

ALPA will get them a Kit Darby seminar instead....

 

[PCL_128]

What's wrong with Midwest folks getting to go to NWA?

Their airline isn't merging with NWA, and nothing in either CBA requires it. Pretty simple. A PID has no place in this situation. I think it would be great if NWA offered jobs to the MEH pilots, but your idea that NWA owes them a merger isn't exactly sane.

 

[FlyWolf]

I say, shut the place down.

37/hour??? here is what one old fu%$ker told me "at least you guys will find a company to come back to when you comeback from furlough".

F&%K you all, who's in the right mind would come back to this outfit.

 

[CitationLover]

Midwest have the most divided pilot group I have ever seen.

I say go for it, you deserve it, work for $37/ hour you whores.

didn't seem divided on the call last night. almost every caller was "full pay to the last day" and that was with 1/2 of the pilot group on the call.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Their airline isn't merging with NWA, and nothing in either CBA requires it. Pretty simple. A PID has no place in this situation. I think it would be great if NWA offered jobs to the MEH pilots, but your idea that NWA owes them a merger isn't exactly sane.

Typical ALPA mentality....and the reason nobody has faith in ALPA anymore....

Nobody "owes" anyone anything in this business....However we can either take care of one another or we can continue the current practice....

I know you would rather just procede with the status quo....

If you want the Midwest folks, or any other folks, to fall on their sword and take one for the team....You have to reward them....Otherwise expect more cuts....

Midwest and Air Tran will take more cuts before this is done...Mark my words.....There is too much downside risk for the senior folks because people like YOU refuse to change the system.....

 

[CitationLover]

I say, shut the place down.

37/hour??? here is what one old fu%$ker told me "at least you guys will find a company to come back to when you comeback from furlough".

F&%K you all, who's in the right mind would come back to this outfit.

hahahaha!

so our minority owner is giving massive raises but we get cuts, i don't buy it. this is all about getting cheap rates on the 717 to shove down DAL/NWA throats. mgmt is being nicey nice there until the govt finally gives the go ahead and then medusa will come out of ATL faster than a MEH senior captain willing to sell themselves out.

 

[FlyWolf]

didn't seem divided on the call last night. almost every caller was "full pay to the last day" and that was with 1/2 of the pilot group on the call.

Sure, I bet its the pilots in the bottom half who were unified on the "full pay to the last day", CL wait and see.

 

[FlyWolf]

duplicate

 

[deadstick]

Have the MEC counter with a company buyout of the top 100 or so people. There are a lot of senior pilots MEH pilots there. Midwest will have a lot of training events to bring people back to the correct seats and to the 717. So, why not buyout the expensive ones and keep to less senior ones (not at $37/hr)?

 

[FlyWolf]

breath in..breath out, Have a great night all

 

[airline#5]

You know, this is all AirTrans fault...right?