Teamsters Push for Southern Air

[nitefr8dog]

Concerning the vote on the resolution to merge with Teamsters Local 1224 the following certified results are official:

Total Eligible voters:***** 292

Total votes cast: 244***** (83.5%)
YES***** 217 yes (89% of actual voters)*****

NO 27

The Resolution is Passed.

You are so SCREWED!

 

[PCL_128]

You are so SCREWED!

Eh, they'll be knocking on ALPA's door as soon as they realize that 1224 is just as useless as 747. We just won the representational election over at North American Airlines on Thursday, making it the third airline in recent memory to decert the IBT and come to ALPA. Many more will follow.

 

[Talon757]

Having been in both the Teamsters and ALPA it seems that they are pretty much cut from the same cloth. The Teamster magazine had some nice truck pictures. The ALPA magazine held the record for the most mustaches. In the end, the primary job of these unions is to perpetuate the union. Anything else is secondary. Anything of lasting value originates with the individual pilots in the company for any given situation.

 

[cfire]

Eh, they'll be knocking on ALPA's door as soon as they realize that 1224 is just as useless as 747. We just won the representational election over at North American Airlines on Thursday, making it the third airline in recent memory to decert the IBT and come to ALPA. Many more will follow.

It appears three other carriers are exploring moving from ALPA in a serious fashion. Evergreen being one and they were Teamsters at one point, saw what ALPA did to them after moving over and are now going back to Teamsters. Say's a lot to me and having seen ALPA from the inside up in Herndon for nine years I can see why it's happening.

North American and ATI were tied up in the removal of Sowell at Teamsters 747 during the clean up of the local by Teamsters Airline Division leader Bourne. North American and ATI had deals for being more equal than the other carriers and when Sowell was removed by Bourne the NA and ATI leadership at those carriers decided to retaliate via decertification when their special deals were not going to be continued. Guess they will find out how little representation they will get now at ALPA. Especially now that North American it going into Section 6.

 

[PCL_128]

Evergreen isn't going anywhere. Keep dreaming.

 

[spitfire1500]

Not trying to flight with you, but We talk to ALPA and they won't Take (PFE) professional Flight Engineers,( our PFE "most" do not have Pilots licenses) Capital and Evergreen and ATI are (FE) Flight Engineers. which are pilots. trust me i would rather have ALPA any day.

Ours at Evergreen don't have pilot licenses either. The Chairman of our MEC is a PFE.

 

[l8fr82hub]

North American and ATI were tied up in the removal of Sowell at Teamsters 747 during the clean up of the local by Teamsters Airline Division leader Bourne. North American and ATI had deals for being more equal than the other carriers and when Sowell was removed by Bourne the NA and ATI leadership at those carriers decided to retaliate via decertification when their special deals were not going to be continued. Guess they will find out how little representation they will get now at ALPA. Especially now that North American it going into Section 6.

I think ATI will get the same crappy representation from ALPA as we did from the Teamsters, but at least we're now a safe distance from IBT1224 and their puppet Bourne.

 

[cfire]

And you get to pay more in dues for that pleasure.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I think ATI will get the same crappy representation from ALPA as we did from the Teamsters, but at least we're now a safe distance from IBT1224 and their puppet Bourne.

How does the grievance process between the two compare?

 

[l8fr82hub]

How does the grievance process between the two compare?

It's been less than a month since we voted ALPA in and there are a large number of outstanding grievances, so I think it's a little early to judge.

 

[PCL_128]

It's been less than a month since we voted ALPA in and there are a large number of outstanding grievances, so I think it's a little early to judge.

ALPA has done an incredible job at reducing our grievance backlog at AirTran. We started with nearly 200 grievances, and many of those have now been favorably settled. We're down to about 40 cases going to arbitration, and about 60 more cases to go to System Board. Big improvement in just a few months.

 

[l8fr82hub]

ALPA has done an incredible job at reducing our grievance backlog at AirTran. We started with nearly 200 grievances, and many of those have now been favorably settled. We're down to about 40 cases going to arbitration, and about 60 more cases to go to System Board. Big improvement in just a few months.

Glad it's working out well for Airtran, but as an ex-Emery guy and having seen ALPA's dark side I'll have to wait for some results to see if things have changed since Duane Woerthless' reign. Just glad that 1224 no longer has their knife at our back.

 

[ABXbooger]

I am not saying the IBT or 1224 is perfect, but, I have always though it came down to who would support a group during a time of labor problems, i.e. a strike. What is ALPA going to do to help you? DAL, etc going to stop flying your freight? Yeah, some guys will come out and walk the line with you, but when the rubber meets the road, if the freight doesn't move, the company loses money...bottom line. At least with the IBT you know your freight will not get put on a truck, moved by a truck, handled by another teamster, flown by any other IBT group, etc. Let's face it, your companies "revenue stream" is a lot closer to the IBT than anything ALPA has their hands near.

My other big gripe with ALPA was that if you weren't with DAL, NWA, USA, or the other legacies, you might as well kiss "fair" representation goodbye. ATI, etc will quickly realize that they are not in that category and do not get the same treatment as everyone else.

I truly hate the union vs. company thing but after 20 years of this, I know it is a necessary evil. Sad really. The flying part of the job is great, it's all the other political BS that really sucks!

 

[hvydriver]

I am not saying the IBT or 1224 is perfect, but, I have always though it came down to who would support a group during a time of labor problems, i.e. a strike. What is ALPA going to do to help you? DAL, etc going to stop flying your freight? Yeah, some guys will come out and walk the line with you, but when the rubber meets the road, if the freight doesn't move, the company loses money...bottom line. At least with the IBT you know your freight will not get put on a truck, moved by a truck, handled by another teamster, flown by any other IBT group, etc. Let's face it, your companies "revenue stream" is a lot closer to the IBT than anything ALPA has their hands near.

My other big gripe with ALPA was that if you weren't with DAL, NWA, USA, or the other legacies, you might as well kiss "fair" representation goodbye. ATI, etc will quickly realize that they are not in that category and do not get the same treatment as everyone else.

I truly hate the union vs. company thing but after 20 years of this, I know it is a necessary evil. Sad really. The flying part of the job is great, it's all the other political BS that really sucks!

Booger, I too hate the political crap we all put up with. However, if you can show me one instance of the IBT putting pressure on DHL, either air or ground, I'd appreciate it. All I've seen is a tiny bit of saber rattling then it's give back, give back, give back. And it's gotten the IBT precisely nowhere. I'm no great fan of ALPA either, but I don't see anything the IBT has done in regards to DHL that makes them any better.

 

[swordfish]

We at SA had to try somthing, I guess if IBT dosent work then we can always go back to SACG.

Thanks for everyones input. Time will only tell!