Teamsters Push for Southern Air

[propsarebest]

There are VERY FEW FE's at Evergreen. Most are PFE's.

 

[ABUSED PILOT]

Our current MEC AT Evergreen is a PFE.

 

[GittinFatter]

If you go Teamsters, go to 1224. Stay as far away from 747 as you can.

 

[cfire]

ALPA has no problem taking PFEs.

Or anyone else's money.

Be cautious of pcl_128's input. He has not seen daylight since he has put his nose up Prater's posterior in the hopes of moving up ALPA's limited food chain for non-legacy carrier guys (Airtran). He just has not realized it yet, but ALPA is now aiming itself towards making itself a legacy only union. Everyone else is just there to pay dues and extra fees to support that if your a non-legacy carrier. Him admitting it is a whole different matter.

ALPA wants dues paying members. Equal representation on the other hand is something else.

If your ACMI with alpa representation, your just paying dues. Don't expect representation. Been there and done that.

 

[727PAA]

If you do go Teamsters go 1224 and get it in writing that you will be in 1224. 747 is a black hole.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Alpa, teamsters , nothing. Real pilots join USAPA.....NOT !!


PHXFLYR

 

[swordfish]

We talk to ALPA, they won't take our PFE!

I stand corrected ALPA will take our PFE's

 

[swordfish]

Concerning the vote on the resolution to merge with Teamsters Local 1224 the following certified results are official:

Total Eligible voters:***** 292

Total votes cast: 244***** (83.5%)
YES***** 217 yes (89% of actual voters)*****

NO 27

The Resolution is Passed.

 

[FastHap]

Welcome to the Teamsters, and Local 1224 brothers and sisters!

 

[GittinFatter]

Welcome, Southern Ladies and Gentlemen! I think you will be happy with your decision! Lord knows ya'll need it!

 

[nitefr8dog]

Concerning the vote on the resolution to merge with Teamsters Local 1224 the following certified results are official:

Total Eligible voters:***** 292

Total votes cast: 244***** (83.5%)
YES***** 217 yes (89% of actual voters)*****

NO 27

The Resolution is Passed.

You are so SCREWED!

 

[PCL_128]

You are so SCREWED!

Eh, they'll be knocking on ALPA's door as soon as they realize that 1224 is just as useless as 747. We just won the representational election over at North American Airlines on Thursday, making it the third airline in recent memory to decert the IBT and come to ALPA. Many more will follow.

 

[Talon757]

Having been in both the Teamsters and ALPA it seems that they are pretty much cut from the same cloth. The Teamster magazine had some nice truck pictures. The ALPA magazine held the record for the most mustaches. In the end, the primary job of these unions is to perpetuate the union. Anything else is secondary. Anything of lasting value originates with the individual pilots in the company for any given situation.

 

[cfire]

Eh, they'll be knocking on ALPA's door as soon as they realize that 1224 is just as useless as 747. We just won the representational election over at North American Airlines on Thursday, making it the third airline in recent memory to decert the IBT and come to ALPA. Many more will follow.

It appears three other carriers are exploring moving from ALPA in a serious fashion. Evergreen being one and they were Teamsters at one point, saw what ALPA did to them after moving over and are now going back to Teamsters. Say's a lot to me and having seen ALPA from the inside up in Herndon for nine years I can see why it's happening.

North American and ATI were tied up in the removal of Sowell at Teamsters 747 during the clean up of the local by Teamsters Airline Division leader Bourne. North American and ATI had deals for being more equal than the other carriers and when Sowell was removed by Bourne the NA and ATI leadership at those carriers decided to retaliate via decertification when their special deals were not going to be continued. Guess they will find out how little representation they will get now at ALPA. Especially now that North American it going into Section 6.

 

[PCL_128]

Evergreen isn't going anywhere. Keep dreaming.

 

[spitfire1500]

Not trying to flight with you, but We talk to ALPA and they won't Take (PFE) professional Flight Engineers,( our PFE "most" do not have Pilots licenses) Capital and Evergreen and ATI are (FE) Flight Engineers. which are pilots. trust me i would rather have ALPA any day.

Ours at Evergreen don't have pilot licenses either. The Chairman of our MEC is a PFE.

 

[l8fr82hub]

North American and ATI were tied up in the removal of Sowell at Teamsters 747 during the clean up of the local by Teamsters Airline Division leader Bourne. North American and ATI had deals for being more equal than the other carriers and when Sowell was removed by Bourne the NA and ATI leadership at those carriers decided to retaliate via decertification when their special deals were not going to be continued. Guess they will find out how little representation they will get now at ALPA. Especially now that North American it going into Section 6.

I think ATI will get the same crappy representation from ALPA as we did from the Teamsters, but at least we're now a safe distance from IBT1224 and their puppet Bourne.

 

[cfire]

And you get to pay more in dues for that pleasure.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I think ATI will get the same crappy representation from ALPA as we did from the Teamsters, but at least we're now a safe distance from IBT1224 and their puppet Bourne.

How does the grievance process between the two compare?

 

[l8fr82hub]

How does the grievance process between the two compare?

It's been less than a month since we voted ALPA in and there are a large number of outstanding grievances, so I think it's a little early to judge.