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The motivation was a recent attack that mr. turbo made on myself, in which he cited a self-perceived "victory" on another site...a victory where there was no fight. In this case, he went to that same site, mainly a place for private pilots and those considering becoming pilots, and entered a thread that had nothing to do with his rant. He used that place primarily as an attack on me.
The motivation here was that he uses this forum frequently to take shots at me, and on the other site, he attacked not just me, but every poster on flightinfo.
In the interest of setting the record straight, after plenty of attacks against me. That's all.
Here, it's no big deal, but on sites frequented mostly by private pilots, his commentaries sometimes might actually be believed, and get someone killed.
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NookyBooky
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It seams I struck a nerve, the admiration you receive from your non-profit postings that feed your ego maybe in jeopardy. I feel a bit of panic avbug?
Do you really care what I think?
You must, you sure spend a lot of time online spouting your insight and experience. Of course when someone disagrees with you, you must resort to name calling and sophomoric behavior to save face. Well, everyone that read the icing thread in it's entirety knows what and why I did it and do it. I won't revisit the obvious screw up you made in pre judging my actions.
I will however expose your lack of knowledge and spiteful manner here.
Please read from start to finish.
I can't believe you even post here anymore after calling 90% of the pilots here "dung". If defending the actions of the ag pilot wasn't enough, you again had to stick your foot in your mouth on this thread.
http://ipilot.com/forum/message.aspx?pid=102441#102441
The seminar has nothing to do with icing, where did that come from?
If you bothered to read the syllabis, you would know that.
Avbug, you better lay off that crack pipe, your arguments about the seminar and me learning about icing have nothing to do with each other, it is an ATC seminar open to pilots on safety issues that are not addressed in recurrent training in 121 ops. This is the first of it's kind to be open to pilots, I mistakenly thought there would be more interest in it from the folks here, but when you do something for a living, I guess the last thing you want to do is related activities on your day off, sorry, my mistake. I am still going.
Like I said before and many before me, arguing on the internet is like the special Olympics, if you win you're still retarded.
http://safety.natca.org/CFS_2005/Pages/2005cfs_ConferenceSchedule.htm
Do you really care what I think?
You must, you sure spend a lot of time online spouting your insight and experience. Of course when someone disagrees with you, you must resort to name calling and sophomoric behavior to save face. Well, everyone that read the icing thread in it's entirety knows what and why I did it and do it. I won't revisit the obvious screw up you made in pre judging my actions.
I will however expose your lack of knowledge and spiteful manner here.
Please read from start to finish.
I can't believe you even post here anymore after calling 90% of the pilots here "dung". If defending the actions of the ag pilot wasn't enough, you again had to stick your foot in your mouth on this thread.
http://ipilot.com/forum/message.aspx?pid=102441#102441
The seminar has nothing to do with icing, where did that come from?
If you bothered to read the syllabis, you would know that.
Avbug, you better lay off that crack pipe, your arguments about the seminar and me learning about icing have nothing to do with each other, it is an ATC seminar open to pilots on safety issues that are not addressed in recurrent training in 121 ops. This is the first of it's kind to be open to pilots, I mistakenly thought there would be more interest in it from the folks here, but when you do something for a living, I guess the last thing you want to do is related activities on your day off, sorry, my mistake. I am still going.
Like I said before and many before me, arguing on the internet is like the special Olympics, if you win you're still retarded.
http://safety.natca.org/CFS_2005/Pages/2005cfs_ConferenceSchedule.htm
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He flew an aircraft into known icing conditions just to see what it would do? Probably not very wise, but what's the issue? More than likely, he'd only be putting himself at risk and nobody else, so who cares? Plus, he did in fact gain something from the experience, in that he'll know exactly what to expect in the event of an unexpected icing encounter.
Hey, in the 80's NASA flew aircraft directly into some very violent thunderstorms just to "see what it would do".....
Hey, in the 80's NASA flew aircraft directly into some very violent thunderstorms just to "see what it would do".....
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UnAnswerd said:
Hugh, oops, I meant unanswered,
You don't get it, it's ok to land without a radio against traffic if you are in an ag plane because of an obscure reg but flying in a thin layer to see how your plane reacts is suicidal coming from a guy that brags about flying in fires in IMC injesting logs with at least a dozen engine failures.
Cut avgod some slack, he doesn't have a life except the internet, if you threaten his authority here, you will be attacked.
Sad, sad man indeed.
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I havent read your post about going into icing, and Im not trying to bash you for it, BUT. If you indeed did take a non certified aircraft into icing conditions, no matter how subtle, you not only intentionally broke FARs it shows a serious lack of judgement. Why do I say that, because I used to think like you and have done similiar things in my day. I had my 10000 hour DO tell me it was ok to go into icing as long as I could get out at the bottome, well one day I found myself on top of a 5000 thick layer with an inch of ice hanging off a warrior with a scared **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**less student. Long story short, full power down the ILS to 500' because the weather changed so rapidly.
NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER etc, take unequiped aircraft into icing. What you perceive as subtle or no big deal WILL turn around and kill you. Think about it, death, dead, no longer breathing, never fly again, etc. etc.
Icing isnt something to mess around with, its not just the loss of lift or glazing of windshields, its control problems, fuel vents, all the things that you dont think of that quit working after you are "safely" out of the ice and now you cant control/fly the airplane.
Again, not bashing just passing along knowledge and experience. The risk you took far out ways any knowledge you could have gained from intentionally putting ice on your airplane.
As far as your little tiff with AvBug, let it go man, both of you, go get laid or something.
I havent read your post about going into icing, and Im not trying to bash you for it, BUT. If you indeed did take a non certified aircraft into icing conditions, no matter how subtle, you not only intentionally broke FARs it shows a serious lack of judgement. Why do I say that, because I used to think like you and have done similiar things in my day. I had my 10000 hour DO tell me it was ok to go into icing as long as I could get out at the bottome, well one day I found myself on top of a 5000 thick layer with an inch of ice hanging off a warrior with a scared **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**less student. Long story short, full power down the ILS to 500' because the weather changed so rapidly.
NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER etc, take unequiped aircraft into icing. What you perceive as subtle or no big deal WILL turn around and kill you. Think about it, death, dead, no longer breathing, never fly again, etc. etc.
Icing isnt something to mess around with, its not just the loss of lift or glazing of windshields, its control problems, fuel vents, all the things that you dont think of that quit working after you are "safely" out of the ice and now you cant control/fly the airplane.
Again, not bashing just passing along knowledge and experience. The risk you took far out ways any knowledge you could have gained from intentionally putting ice on your airplane.
As far as your little tiff with AvBug, let it go man, both of you, go get laid or something.
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DC8,
I get it, I really do. I learn something new every day. I appreciate your input and will take it to heart, I am in the process of getting the Diamond Star twin with TKS so the point of doing it again is moot.
Yes, it probably was stupid, but I assure you, I was in no danger. Very warm air below and a very thin layer with light rime. I am the kind of person that learns by doing, if I ever get into ice on accident again, I will know what to expect. I like to know everything my plane can do, reading a book or practicing on a sim isn't the same. At the time it felt like a perfect opportunity to see icing develop since my assigned IFR altitude was perfect.
There is and old saying in aviation, you start out with a big jar of luck and hope you end up with a big jar of experience before the jar of luck runs out.
I think I used mine up, I hope I still have some left though, but I am not tempting fate anymore. Remember, I have been flying for 22 years, I am no amateur or a pro, just the same, I still know what is wrong and what is right and what I did was wrong per FAR but right per me getting to know intimately what icing can do instead of later in worse conditions with no prior experience. I got the experience now, that's the bottom line. Certain things you just gotta do, safe, stupid or not. Everyone that flies has done it or will do it. I just take exception to the way avbug responds to questions, he is very judgmental and curse.
BTW: There was a CFII with 10,000 hrs in the right seat, it was his idea, I was all for it.
Thanks for being civil!
I get it, I really do. I learn something new every day. I appreciate your input and will take it to heart, I am in the process of getting the Diamond Star twin with TKS so the point of doing it again is moot.
Yes, it probably was stupid, but I assure you, I was in no danger. Very warm air below and a very thin layer with light rime. I am the kind of person that learns by doing, if I ever get into ice on accident again, I will know what to expect. I like to know everything my plane can do, reading a book or practicing on a sim isn't the same. At the time it felt like a perfect opportunity to see icing develop since my assigned IFR altitude was perfect.
There is and old saying in aviation, you start out with a big jar of luck and hope you end up with a big jar of experience before the jar of luck runs out.
I think I used mine up, I hope I still have some left though, but I am not tempting fate anymore. Remember, I have been flying for 22 years, I am no amateur or a pro, just the same, I still know what is wrong and what is right and what I did was wrong per FAR but right per me getting to know intimately what icing can do instead of later in worse conditions with no prior experience. I got the experience now, that's the bottom line. Certain things you just gotta do, safe, stupid or not. Everyone that flies has done it or will do it. I just take exception to the way avbug responds to questions, he is very judgmental and curse.
BTW: There was a CFII with 10,000 hrs in the right seat, it was his idea, I was all for it.
Thanks for being civil!
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Oh...So you're 13 going on 14....
TDTurbo, it’s fine that you personally attack Avbug on this forum, if that’s how you want to deal with your feelings against Avbug. This forum is designed for professional pilots, and some of us are pretty crass anyway. But, because the other forum mentioned, ipilot, is for younger student pilots and inexperienced GA pilots, I think it’s unconscionable that you decided to personally harass Avbug there by posting things that could get a inexperienced GA pilot in severe trouble or killed.
There is absolutely no excuse for you to do that, and it makes you lower than pond scum to post that garbage over there. Who the hell do you think you are? The ipilot board is a lot different than this one, some of those guys would actually believe the drivel that you post over there, and frankly it makes you come off like some thirteen year old flamebaiter. You can’t possibly expect to maintain any creditability here by posting such nonsensical stuff.
Post what you like over here, but don’t mind ---- those student pilots over there. Get a life. Why not deal with ill feelings by putting Avbug on your ignore list and give us all a break.
You are a total tool if you continue that stuff on the other forum.
TDTurbo, it’s fine that you personally attack Avbug on this forum, if that’s how you want to deal with your feelings against Avbug. This forum is designed for professional pilots, and some of us are pretty crass anyway. But, because the other forum mentioned, ipilot, is for younger student pilots and inexperienced GA pilots, I think it’s unconscionable that you decided to personally harass Avbug there by posting things that could get a inexperienced GA pilot in severe trouble or killed.
There is absolutely no excuse for you to do that, and it makes you lower than pond scum to post that garbage over there. Who the hell do you think you are? The ipilot board is a lot different than this one, some of those guys would actually believe the drivel that you post over there, and frankly it makes you come off like some thirteen year old flamebaiter. You can’t possibly expect to maintain any creditability here by posting such nonsensical stuff.
Post what you like over here, but don’t mind ---- those student pilots over there. Get a life. Why not deal with ill feelings by putting Avbug on your ignore list and give us all a break.
You are a total tool if you continue that stuff on the other forum.
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