Tale from Go Jet jumpseat!

[TSA145]

Which union am I talking about? Are you still in denial? We have one that represents us far better than the clueless fellows running your outfit. Just look at their track record. Our guys called the outcome of this whole thing before it even started. Are you hoping the NMB will change that? Even if they do, we'll still be separate with separate leadership.

And nobody was fired for denying a jumpseat, and I seriously doubt anyone was fired for calling someone a name. I stand by my statements.

Are taling about the LOOSER who couldn't get any support from the TSA pilot group to become TSA's MEC and right after that turned around and went to GoSh1t????? He is going to represent you really well.....I would pick somebody else...

 

[FlyHIToo]

And please give us a link to anything that says you have a union,

http://www.teamster.org/divisions/airline/airlineorganizing.htm
http://www.teamsterslocal618.org/news-and-events.html

Today ...12-21-05 ... The NMB ruled that the Single Carrier Petition that ALPA file was officially dismissed on lack of merit. This ruling by the board confirms that these are to seperate companies and that the GJ pilots may organize with whatever uion that they want. They could even choose ALPA at this point, and I am sure that DW would welcome them just so he can get his 2%. This ruling closes the door on this issue. GJ is to TSA and TSA Holdings as ComAIR is to Delta and DAL Holding, or as American Eagle is to AA and AMR. Two seperate companies owned by 1 holding company. This from the NMB's own ruling...

 

[TSA ERJ]

Because the company was able to shuffle paperwork in a way to convince the NMB that they are two separate carriers still does not legitimize your group. You are still a bunch that decided they had no regard for this profession and actively pursued a job that undermined fellow pilots, not by circumstance, but by choice. The certification of the Teamsters at G0Jet still leaves you a long way from having a contract that resembles anything other than what the FAR's allow the company to do. I have first hand knowledge that at least one pilot who was negotiating with the company on behalf of your group has resigned from his position in frustration with the company. I am sure that Local 618 (representing Auto dealerships, Tank Haulers, Service Stations, etc.) will do a fine job representing you.

Make no mistake, if the price is right, Trans States Holding will sell you all down the river. That's a perfect example of how you have directly acted to lower wages and benefits in this industry.

 

[Skippy]

The Teamsters can have them, enjoy the road to a contract of sub par caliber. We begin our section 6 Feb 1, 2006, or in about 5 weeks.

SKIPPY

 

[treetopflyer]

If you don't like being paid like the guy flipping burgers at McDonalds, first try to avoid speaking like them.

not exactly, DUDE

A couple terms to be avoided include (but are not limited to): biatch, dude, & mumbo jumbo ...

how about bag slinging, lav dumping, corporate fluffer and that kind of MUMBO JUMBO.

my bad, this post is not about your job its about jumpseats.

 

[Capn Lucky]

Skippy,
I wish we could call it negotiations as much as it will be a bidding war for the flying. This is HK's perfect opportunity to exercise a whipsaw and have us compete for our jobs. The guys in STC are not going to have 2 pilot groups where one costs more than the other. Remember, we're competing against a group which has management negotiating for them. If those guys had half a brain they would realize the only way to protect themselves would be to make a call a join us.

Now we're all behind the 8 ball

 

[Skippy]

American connection is safe no matter what. The first day we find out they transfer a 145 to the g0jet certificate, what do you think will happen? A cozy campfire bbq where we all sing "kumbya"? If people are going to lose their jobs in massive quantities and/or dissolve the company, history shows they have no problems taking action into their own hands. We have a few ideas that can be easily and quickly implemented. No worries mate, if I'm not scared, you shouldnt be either!

SKIPPY

 

[theo]

http://www.teamster.org/divisions/airline/airlineorganizing.htm
http://www.teamsterslocal618.org/news-and-events.html

Today ...12-21-05 ... The NMB ruled that the Single Carrier Petition that ALPA file was officially dismissed on lack of merit. This ruling by the board confirms that these are to seperate companies and that the GJ pilots may organize with whatever uion that they want. They could even choose ALPA at this point, and I am sure that DW would welcome them just so he can get his 2%. This ruling closes the door on this issue. GJ is to TSA and TSA Holdings as ComAIR is to Delta and DAL Holding, or as American Eagle is to AA and AMR. Two seperate companies owned by 1 holding company. This from the NMB's own ruling...

I see nothing on the NMB website indicating they have made a ruling on this issue. Where did you get your info?

 

[FlyHIToo]

I see nothing on the NMB website indicating they have made a ruling on this issue. Where did you get your info?

Teamsters Local 618
Union Plaza 300 South Grand St. Louis, MO 63103 Phone: 314-533-8945 Fax: 314-533-8945

Call them the have the ruling.....​

 

[mrnolmts]

Last I heard, being DH'd an riding the jumpseat were two different things. But I would agree that being DH'd on them would stink if I were in your shoes. Kind of adding insult to injury.

I'm assuming most companies, like mine, will put you in the jumpseat when you're deadheading, if the airplane is full of revenue pax. So, this guy might not have had much say in whether or not he was going to ride in the jumpseat.
That being said, I do agree with your assessment that someone riding in the jumpseat has no business criticizing the flight crew on that flight, at least not on a public forum. I can see his concern over this particular crews' lack of system knowledge, but I'm quite sure he's not perfect in his ways, either. We all screw up at some point or another.

 

[temcgrew]

flyHItoo: Your links are in no way backing up what you said.

The first link is telling about all the companies that they are trying to get on board. This is months and months old. besides, the ones they are actually negotiating for have links to other pages. The g0 jet name isn't a link, so it doesn't seem they have done anything for months and months.

Your second link is only this:

Go-Pilots Seek Teamsters Representation! November 9, 2005

Union expects Election at Regional Carrier. Teamsters Local Union 618 announced today that it expects the National Mediation Board (NME) to order a representation election for the Pilots of Go-Jet Airlines soon, in response to the pilots request.

The overwhelming majority of Go-Jet Pilots have expressed their desire to join the Teamsters said Dan Heumann, Local 618 President. We're confident that the NMB will give them the opportunity to form their Union with us soon.

The Teamsters filed for representation with NMB on September 15th the date Go-Jet flew it's first revenue generating flight. A single carrier petition was filed by another union soon after, the Teamsters believe this petition will be dismissed. "The clear majority of pilots are in favor of becoming Teamsters said Don Treichler, Director of the Teamsters Airline Division." We're working to help them join the union."
"We expect to achieve a fair and equitable agreement for the pilots, in order to enhance their careers and to help provide a foundation for the growth of the company", Heumann said.

So you put those links out there so maybe no one will go there. and you put out statements like:

This ruling by the board confirms that these are to seperate companies and that the GJ pilots may organize with whatever uion that they want

If the NMB actually rules that these are two seperate companies, it will be a crime. G0jet damages an airplane, so for a month or so, we are given the flying until they get the plane fixed! If Skywest couldn't cover one of thier routes, would TSA get the flying for a month?

And if TSH can do this, then what is going to stop them from getting more 700's and "transfering" our 145 flying over to G0jet?

And do you actually have a link to the NMB website or is it all crap from the teamsters website, which has nothing from DEC 21ST 2005.

Don't try to defend your actions and your lies. We all know the true story.

 

[Tarzan]

It is a shame we can't merge our pilot groups on our own right now. GJ guys, don't you know that we're about to start negotiations here? Think about how much leverage we would have right mnow if you guys joined us.

Don't you think the company will do the same things to you? They may play nice right now but I am sure that it will not last.

 

[EHE2]

To the GoJ*t pilots (holier than thou), quick to pass blame to TSA pilots...Let me remid you...
"He who is without sin, throw the first stone...." ~Jesus Christ

 

[redbook]

I know, I know....

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don't work at g0jet h25b? but still 20 posts in this thread.

If you don't work there, then keep proving you are just a message board ass*ole.

 

[h25b]

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If you don't work there, then keep proving you are just a message board ass*ole.

Gee, and I thought you and I had nothing in common.

Your witty insightfulness is something we couldn't possibly do without.

 

[ACT700]

I've never understood people who can't comprehend the idea of jumpseating on an airline they don't like. Say you are commuting to and from Chicago for 5 years. Every day you've flown on an Air Wisconsin flight because that is who United has contracted with to fly that route. Then all of a sudden, United cancels the contract and sells it to GJ's. You still need to get home and to work every week. Are you really suggesting that these guys avoid jumpseating on GJ's just because they don't like them. The way I see it, they'd only be hurting themselves and their families. How does GJ's or any other airline profit financially from carrying jumpseaters? What financial (or otherwise) punishement is it to GJ's if we all stop jumpseating on them? This is probably the dumbest argument I've ever heard (the one about jumpseating on GJ's) You do what you've got to do to get to work and get home. It's not the same as going to work for them!

No, I suggest that people quit whining and badmouthing each other ('s airlines).
The way I see it, all regional airlines are in the same position. They all pay sub-par wages, for F/Os at least, and you guys crying about GJ being worse than Mesaba, or Mesa, or whatever regional airline name you'd like to fill in, isn't solving the problem at all.

So-quit setting a double standard.
Because I'm pretty sure the guys working at GJ, for whatever reason that maybe, needs to make a living, too-just like the guys trying to jumpseat home needs to do it for financial reasons.

I for one, think that if ALPA would have fought to bring mainline and regional pilots together, would have been a step in the right direction.
Instead, ALPA did management a favour by pitting the two pilot groups against each other.

 

[millhouse21]

To the GoJ*t pilots (holier than thou), quick to pass blame to TSA pilots...Let me remid you...
"He who is without sin, throw the first stone...." ~Jesus Christ

Jesus said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

So I cast that MFer!!

 

[Capn Lucky]

No worries mate, if I'm not scared, you shouldnt be either!

SKIPPY

I'm not scared. I'd like to be a step ahead of Dr. Evil and his henchmen at the STC. Their worst case scenario is for us to join with the alter ego pilots and negotiate together. They are betting on ill will protecting them. I say that this is business and we do what is necessary to protect out interests, even if its a bitter pill to swallow.

 

[panamclipper]

http://www.threemeninkilts.com/index.cfm

 

[Snoop]

Dear ACT

Life isn't always as simple as your "getting along" mentality.