tailend part 91 flights

[RedGuy]

You can only do one leg 91, if you have to land short for a tech stop your done there until you can get rested and get legal.

Never heard that one before. Once your 91, as far as I know your only bound by part 91 rules, so you can fly as much as you want, land as many times as you want, etc. I've often made more than 1 stop on my way home after dropping freight. There's more than a few places we go that don't have fuel, so you have to stop on the way home for fuel, and I'm not up for spending the night in some place like Fargo North Dakota if I don't have to. That couch in Gwinner ND can be my best friend after a long day though. Most of the time I'd prefer to take a good nap for a few hours and head home than go to a hotel somewhere where I'll get stuck for days on end waiting for another trip that's not going to happen.

 

[avbug]

You can only do one leg 91, if you have to land short for a tech stop your done there until you can get rested and get legal.

That would be the case if you were still doing it on the duty clock. However, once the duty is over, such restrictions are also over. The ruling precedence at that point is 14 CFR 91.13.

If you're pushing to the end of your duty day and are attempting to continue under "unforecast" circumstances which weren't part of the original planning (ATC delays, wx, mx, etc), you may have difficulty defending a decision to press on beyond that first stop, if it's already crossed the duty and rest line...but then again you may not. You need to consider the circumstances.

If you're pressing on after the duty day has ended (the typical tail end ferry)...you don't have any such restrictions.

 

[Way2Broke]

Avbug, maybe that is the situation I was thinking of. Either way I have learned something here. Gesh.... my brain hurts now. :laugh:

 

[GittinFatter]

Just remember folks, 91.13 is the catch all!!!!!

If you have anything happen, and the feds get involved, they can use this rule very broadly!

 

[Way2Broke]

They could violate me for 91.13 if something happens during hour one of duty too.

 

[jercdevil]

fatigue is fatigue if your tired don't do it. The company can't do anything about it. We have a scheduled run at Gemini that go's from Osteede Belgium to Lagos. It is sched for 5.9 on the way down and 6.1 on the way back (12 hours) Never happens it always go's over. So they part 91 back, but we always carry 10.000 lbs of pallets? Comat I don't think so. Alpa won't do Sh%t about it

 

[avbug]

Those ten thousand pounds of pallets become ballast. They've got to be moved, could just as easily be COMAT.

They could violate me for 91.13 if something happens during hour one of duty too.

Yes...91.13 gets frequently invoked along with nearly every violation. The difference is that exceeding your times can become 91.13 all by itself. It's also the one regulation that's invoked in every legal interpretation on the subject, and very relevant.

 

[Way2Broke]

It's also usually the first one to get dropped when a lawyer gets involved. It's policy to slap the 91.13 on top of every offense. This is probably because it allows the Feds to negotiate with your attorney but still "convict" you of the offense they want to get you on.

My point was you don't have to be over flight time or duty in order to be fatigued and in violation of 91.13. I think you agreed with me on that.

 

[b707guy]

We have a scheduled run at Gemini that go's from Osteede Belgium to Lagos. It is sched for 5.9 on the way down and 6.1 on the way back (12 hours) Never happens it always go's over.

Even with revenue, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see flight times "work out" just to avoid laying over in Lagos :smash:.

For years, we operated an out and back that was scheduled under 12, but went over often enough to catch the attention of some people. Duty day times also played into it. The trip is now a layover and way more enjoyable.