T-38C production line

[Huggyu2]

As the T-38C is being cranked out pretty steadily, does anyone know when the production line at Willy is going to be closed?

 

[phantomdriver]

I dont know

 

[FastCargo]

Huggy,

There was a posting for a USAF TR position at Willy Gateway back about 6 months ago. The TR tour was only supposed to be about 3 years, then the position would go away entirely. So my guess was about 3-4 years from the time of the position opening.

FastCargo

 

[Huggyu2]

FastC,
Thanks. I take it you're still in the RND gig? I'm still wondering if anyone out there has over 3K in the Talon. No one here (yet), but getting close.
What do you like better: T-38A with PMP, or T-38C with PMP?
Huggy

 

[psysicx]

Does anybody know if Honeywell is really pulling out of PHX? I heard rumors.

 

[FastCargo]

Huggy,

That's a good question! I know most (if not ALL) of the reservists have over 2k hours... There's gotta be some close to 3k. I have 2600+ right now...

Actually, ol' JT on the active duty side may have 3k...remember JT from Beale? Or maybe Hoz?

Anyway, as far as I know, there isn't a T-38A model with PMP. All our PMP mods have been converted to T-38Cs first. As far as flying goes, the T-38C PMP jets just plain ROCK! I find the performance really doesn't feel that much different at anything above about 200 knots.

Couple of minor issues:

1) Because the speeds have been bumped up 5 knots, with the appropriate changes in AOA, I find that I tend to instinctively pull about .65 AOA to get the same 'feel' in the final turn as the A model.

2) There isn't TOLD TAB data for really high PA altitudes...so technically, we are not allowed to stay at C Springs. Even though the PMP jets are much better for TOLD.

That's about it...there have been about a billion PIT syllabus changes however. Don't even ask me about that...it gets impossible to keep up....

FastCargo

 

[talondriver]

As the T-38C is being cranked out pretty steadily, does anyone know when the production line at Willy is going to be closed?

Right now Mesa is finishing up Laughlin's and the Navy TPS jets. Then Sheppard. After that, who knows.

Huggy- any words on ACC buying the mod?

 

[Fury220]

We already have a few C models here at KSPS. No word on the PMP for us, though. I don't think it's going to happen for YEARS. (thank the whole international flair for that, I suppose...ENJJPT has its own decision process)

 

[Barnowl]

Huggy --

Have you heard if you guys are going to get the C - model or PMP upgrade? We haven't heard anything here at szl yet...

 

[LJDRVR]

Anyway, as far as I know, there isn't a T-38A model with PMP. All our PMP mods have been converted to T-38Cs first.

The closest animal would be NASA's T-38N models, they've had the the PMP done. The cockpit is still essentially an A model though, with the exception of a EADI/EHSI and Universal UNS-1K FMS and HUD.

 

[talondriver]

Anyway, as far as I know, there isn't a T-38A model with PMP. All our PMP mods have been converted to T-38Cs first. As far as flying goes, the T-38C PMP jets just plain ROCK! I find the performance really doesn't feel that much different at anything above about 200 knots.

I hear there's a problem with the PMP jets getting too hot in places. Any word on the fix?

 

[Huggyu2]

I was at the Pentagon last month, and a friend of mine who's a Beltway Bandit (and a former Sq/CC) said that we are funded for PMP, but not the C-model (yet). I believe he said FY 08 for the PMP. I didn't have him clarify if he meant ACC as a whole, or just Beale. I've got to assume that it's for all 41 of ACC's T-38 jets.
But, I can't imagine that the USAF is going to allow 41 jets to remain A-models at the end of the production line. It just makes no sense to have a split fleet. I'm thinking that an 11th hour funding decision will happen about 6 months before they close the line at Willy.
No TOLD TAB data for high PA's??? Crazy talk!
Barnowl: say hello to Vosko.

 

[LJDRVR]

Never ceases to amaze mw what a small world aviation is. Three Beale alumni on this post. (One recce type, one IP and one enlisted puke)

The Captain I've been flying with this month is a retired Lt Col who went through PIT back in 81' with my Basic Training Squadron CC. Small world.

 

[FastCargo]

Hot fix?

I hear there's a problem with the PMP jets getting too hot in places. Any word on the fix?

Well, if you're talking about the tailpipe heat at MIL/MAX on the ground, the ops limits have changed slightly for PMP jets.

Mil and Max power ON THE GROUND are now limited to 5 minutes. It's really only relevant for the 'oil pressure reduction during a cold day' restriction.

If you're talking about something else, I haven't a clue...

FastCargo

PS Huggy, I remember Vosko, just saw him recently at alt chamber refresh training...along with Guy N.

 

[Floyd R. Turbo]

Surely JT has over 3000... Huggy, I'd have thought you would be close too... No?

What is PMP? The only technological "advance" I ever saw was the throttle gate.

Great quote, Fast...