T-38C Near Miss Video

[Hagar17]

It looked like a C-21 or T-1 that they nearly T-boned. I couldn't slow it down enough to tell. Does anyone know what it was? Was the guy on the radio passing the departure message the same plane that almost hit the T-38? Sounds like it.

When I was working for Midway, I was almost smacked by a civilian Lear 21 in 1999 around RDU that was filing an IFR flight plan over center frequency.

Save non-essential, off primary freq radio traffic and admin duties for >10,000 feet. Or file the damn flight plan at the FBO/base ops.

Hag

 

[airbrush]

Aircraft ID

The IP I spoke to said it was a Beech Baron. He showed me several still frames from the video, which they used to track down the N-number and contact the pilot. He didn't say what, if any, disciplinary action was taken. I don't think the Baron pilot was even aware of the incident; although the T-38 wasn't exactly in a blind spot, a couple of seconds of looking the other way was probably enough to miss the whole show.

 

[bssthound]

Far as heavies w/ HUDs go, our J model 130s have 'em.

I remember several times on low level routes in the Real Rhino, oops, wrong thread, where we came pretty close to bugsmashers. It's neat to be cruising at 480-600 knots and see a Cessna that looks like it's dangling from a string 'cause of the difference in our airspeeds.

What really got my attention, though, was doing 6000' line abreast pop-up attacks in the MOA and noticing a Mooney, white with a blue stripe, right between us as we popped up. No doubt he had a story to tell if he saw us.

Our favorite, though, was catching a Columbus T-38 on an IR route. We'd normally slide right in on his wing in route and wait for him to notice. Usually we'd get a thumbs up from the guys, every once in a while one would try to "get away."

Ah, well, guess I'll wake up now.

 

[peter185]

It was a Baron in the video.

 

[SIG600]

I was at Laughlin in March, and some students told me that if the HUD goes out, it's akin to a minor EP: they come back 1 to a full stop.

You mean it's not? Hell I'm a total HUD Cripple. I think I'd have to squawk 7700 and take the short field gear if I lost mine.

 

[Lipper95]

Yep - they learn both. It's called technology.

most students do not. unless you go through columbus or sheppard, it is the t-6 then the t-1 or t-38c. all glass. not sure whether that is a good thing or not.

lipper

 

[Scrapdog]

most students do not. unless you go through columbus or sheppard, it is the t-6 then the t-1 or t-38c. all glass. not sure whether that is a good thing or not.

lipper

Lipper - you missed my point. What I meant by the statement was even though an airplane has a HUD you still are taught to bring all your instruments into your x check when flying, whether it be instrument flying or a tactical mission. In the T-38C, they still have "round" dials, even though they're on an EFIS display. In the F-15, the HUD is not approved to fly an instrument approach by sole means only but in the F-16 it is. I'm not sure whether it is or not in the T-38C, however I know for a fact the students still are taught to use all sensors available to them in all phases of flight. If the HUD is the primary method of shooting an ILS for them, so be it...but they still keep the other round dials in their x check.

 

[BiffF15]

Scrapdog,
What block are you flying and how do you like it?

 

[Scrapdog]

Scrapdog,
What block are you flying and how do you like it?

Block 30's and I love it. Who wouldn't?

 

[Huggyu2]

Scrapdog,
Scoobey said to tell you hi.

 

[Hagar17]

The IP I spoke to said it was a Beech Baron. He showed me several still frames from the video, which they used to track down the N-number and contact the pilot. He didn't say what, if any, disciplinary action was taken. I don't think the Baron pilot was even aware of the incident; although the T-38 wasn't exactly in a blind spot, a couple of seconds of looking the other way was probably enough to miss the whole show.

Where did they get the video? Do UPT T-38's have a "gun camera?"

 

[Fury220]

Where did they get the video? Do UPT T-38's have a "gun camera?"

T-38C's have a VTR system that can be set to record either the HUD, the MFD in either cockpit, or a combination of both.

 

[CobraKai]

Radio call is from a KRND t-6 (JPATS 86).

BARON is flying typical civi IFR...


I Follow Roads except at 500, AGL

Half of Texas in that area is low level routes belonging to krnd, kdlf, kskf, kdys, knfw, and ksps

Was number 2 on VR-186 at 500' once and had a Twin Air fly below us south to north not squawking...lead had us pop-up and shoot a call off to Flight Service. They called Customs...customs launches citation with big nose. We go on with simulated drop.

 

[414Flyer]

I will admit to once once on a solo flight from an airport next to SPS, I was took the Traumahawk over to SPS to get some landing at a towered airport and then on the way back the whole 7 miles west, I went a little higher than I should have, into the altitude meant for the T-38s. As soon as I saw that, I quickly look around and see a 38 at my 7, really really close and fast.

I am glad I didnt end up a statistic.

 

[SIG600]

And there it is, 48 hours 7 minutes before someone had to turn this into a mil vs civil aviation matter. Nice work 414...

 

[414Flyer]

I dont see how I was turning it into a mil vs civ. Just stating how I when I was a solo student civilian pilot, my inattention caused a similiar situation with a T-38

 

[airbrush]

It's a matter of everyone staying vigilant and informed. When I was a student pilot back in the mid 70s, my instructor had shown me on the sectional where a low-level military route was located near my home town. The route made a dogleg at the tip of a lake about 15 miles north of my high school. I used to occasionally get time off from school to do some of my solo cross countries (principal liked me, and he had flown B-29s), and I sometimes flew over the school just to "show off".
One day while I was in the school parking lot, three ANG A-7s came scorching right overhead at less than 500ft, pulling hard in 90 degree bank turns. I'd never seen that before or after, so I guess its possible that they missed the turn by a few seconds. For me it was a wake up call to keep my eyes open, because anyone can make a mistake and it can all be over in an instant.
Years later, while doing touch-and-goes, a helicopter went barreling straight through the traffic pattern, missing me by maybe a couple hundred feet horizontally. I never saw him, only finding out when I landed from an instructor who saw him pass behind me. Even if you're exactly where you are supposed to be, doing everything right, you can still end up in a smoking hole.

 

[scoreboard]

Phhht,,, Thats not a close call..... I'll show you a close call....

 

[McGillicutty]

I wouldn't have been surprised if someone said that was a pred in the near miss video.

 

[Vandal]

I wouldn't have been surprised if someone said that was a pred in the near miss video.

The ground was too green for that...