T-38C Near Miss Video

[stonewall]

HUDs are great unless you're some poor guy that goes from a -38 at SPS to a -135 at Altus.

Were you that poor guy, RJP?

 

[Fury220]

WINDBAG!

HUDs are great unless you're some poor guy that goes from a -38 at SPS to a -135 at Altus. Sheppard's still open, right?

You'd have to be pretty dang unlucky for that to happen. Sheppard is home of ENJJPT, and all the US grads go on to fly one of the following:

F-15C/E, F-16, A-10, B-1, B-2, B-52.

It's pretty much impossible to be an ENJJPT grad and end up flying a KC-anything, unless you Palace Chased into a guard unit with heavies.

It's pretty safe to say that 85% (probably more) of ENJJPT grads go onto fly jets with HUDs.

 

[peter185]

At Laughlin they showed a video to compliment the one posted of a near miss between a T-38 and a T-6 from Randolph. So much for deconflicting the low level......

 

[RJP]

It's pretty safe to say that 85% (probably more) of ENJJPT grads go onto fly jets with HUDs.

There ya go. 15%. Whatever.

I wanted a KC-135 but it wasn't available in the drop. Shame. Anything's better than a porker.

ciao.

 

[Huggyu2]

In years past, Sheppard has had assignment drops where almost no one got a fighter. I have a friend who's class got none. He got a C-130.

I was at Laughlin in March, and some students told me that if the HUD goes out, it's akin to a minor EP: they come back 1 to a full stop. Nevermind that thousands of pilots have done landings in the T-38 without one for 40 years. They do have a dual sortie where there is a "Special Syllabus Item" to do landings without a HUD (gasp!). "Put the thing on the thing on the thing" (can you believe that one?). But I guess that SUPT is making a product for the 21st century,... and that product better be able to use a HUD.

 

[Hagar17]

It looked like a C-21 or T-1 that they nearly T-boned. I couldn't slow it down enough to tell. Does anyone know what it was? Was the guy on the radio passing the departure message the same plane that almost hit the T-38? Sounds like it.

When I was working for Midway, I was almost smacked by a civilian Lear 21 in 1999 around RDU that was filing an IFR flight plan over center frequency.

Save non-essential, off primary freq radio traffic and admin duties for >10,000 feet. Or file the damn flight plan at the FBO/base ops.

Hag

 

[airbrush]

Aircraft ID

The IP I spoke to said it was a Beech Baron. He showed me several still frames from the video, which they used to track down the N-number and contact the pilot. He didn't say what, if any, disciplinary action was taken. I don't think the Baron pilot was even aware of the incident; although the T-38 wasn't exactly in a blind spot, a couple of seconds of looking the other way was probably enough to miss the whole show.

 

[bssthound]

Far as heavies w/ HUDs go, our J model 130s have 'em.

I remember several times on low level routes in the Real Rhino, oops, wrong thread, where we came pretty close to bugsmashers. It's neat to be cruising at 480-600 knots and see a Cessna that looks like it's dangling from a string 'cause of the difference in our airspeeds.

What really got my attention, though, was doing 6000' line abreast pop-up attacks in the MOA and noticing a Mooney, white with a blue stripe, right between us as we popped up. No doubt he had a story to tell if he saw us.

Our favorite, though, was catching a Columbus T-38 on an IR route. We'd normally slide right in on his wing in route and wait for him to notice. Usually we'd get a thumbs up from the guys, every once in a while one would try to "get away."

Ah, well, guess I'll wake up now.

 

[peter185]

It was a Baron in the video.

 

[SIG600]

I was at Laughlin in March, and some students told me that if the HUD goes out, it's akin to a minor EP: they come back 1 to a full stop.

You mean it's not? Hell I'm a total HUD Cripple. I think I'd have to squawk 7700 and take the short field gear if I lost mine.

 

[Lipper95]

Yep - they learn both. It's called technology.

most students do not. unless you go through columbus or sheppard, it is the t-6 then the t-1 or t-38c. all glass. not sure whether that is a good thing or not.

lipper

 

[Scrapdog]

most students do not. unless you go through columbus or sheppard, it is the t-6 then the t-1 or t-38c. all glass. not sure whether that is a good thing or not.

lipper

Lipper - you missed my point. What I meant by the statement was even though an airplane has a HUD you still are taught to bring all your instruments into your x check when flying, whether it be instrument flying or a tactical mission. In the T-38C, they still have "round" dials, even though they're on an EFIS display. In the F-15, the HUD is not approved to fly an instrument approach by sole means only but in the F-16 it is. I'm not sure whether it is or not in the T-38C, however I know for a fact the students still are taught to use all sensors available to them in all phases of flight. If the HUD is the primary method of shooting an ILS for them, so be it...but they still keep the other round dials in their x check.

 

[BiffF15]

Scrapdog,
What block are you flying and how do you like it?

 

[Scrapdog]

Scrapdog,
What block are you flying and how do you like it?

Block 30's and I love it. Who wouldn't?

 

[Huggyu2]

Scrapdog,
Scoobey said to tell you hi.