SWAPA wants all FAPA Pilots

[SWA/FO]

SWAPA stated they "want all FAPA Pilots".
They are hopeful, this will work out.

SWAPA wants to negotiate all pay rates/work rules. If SWA gets F9 and Lynxx...SWAPA wants Lynxx on our list and will negotiate pay rates/work rules for this group.

Good Luck, to all involved..

 

[Toobdrvr]

Where did they state this? I'm not questioning it, I would just like to see the quote myself.

I sincerely hope it's true. A flying job at SWA would be a strong second choice for me as an outcome to this sitation (my first choice being entirely impossible).

I also hope SWAPA and GK are on the same page regarding this...

 

[SWA/FO]

SWAPA Conference Call....happening now
Carl says "its up to the company to buy them (airplanes) and we fly them, nobody else"

 

[FDJ2]

SWAPA stated they "want all FAPA Pilots".
They are hopeful, this will work out.

SWAPA wants to negotiate all pay rates/work rules. If SWA gets F9 and Lynxx...SWAPA wants Lynxx on our list and will negotiate pay rates/work rules for this group.

Good Luck, to all involved..

That's good to hear.

There's probably a need for a transition agreement and JCBA. My recommendation is get it done before the SLI.

 

[Megalops]

Well I hope this works out, I really do, I do not know if we at fapa even get a vote and even if we do Sean Menke makes the final decision after the auction along with the judge and a bunch of other people. Remember its largest and best offer not just largest. The perception of some at F9 is that rah will preserve more jobs, I myself think it is just a scheme. I would rather take a staple and even a furlough then the rah deal myself.

 

[CFI]

SWAPA stated they "want all FAPA Pilots".
They are hopeful, this will work out.

SWAPA wants to negotiate all pay rates/work rules. If SWA gets F9 and Lynxx...SWAPA wants Lynxx on our list and will negotiate pay rates/work rules for this group.

Good Luck, to all involved..

Well being a lynx employee I'd happily take a staple even if it costs me my job in the short term.

 

[OurMoney1]

SWAPA is in a great position to get the contract that everyone can agree on. The "no" voters may end up laughing last. This whole scenario is a Negotiating Team dream.

Gary's urgency over the last 2 months all makes sense. This was a scenario he did not want. I think its clear this is a situation where labor for once has the upper hand.

Congrats SWA drivers....

 

[FR8dognit]

Swapa also said it will NEVER go as far as an arbitrator.

Our union wants ALL F9 pilots to eventually be under the umbrella of SWAPA. It will be an interesting 2 weeks.

Good luck to the F9 folks. Hope everything works out for everyone. This could be a MAJOR win for everyone involved.

:beer:

 

[RedDogC130]

I am still not too thrilled about this Lynx stuff. We cannot let this slip under the radar. I do not want small planes under the SWA name....at the same time unless "we" SWAPA are flying them...for the same pay rates as the 737. If a 1st year guy at lynx is brought on board here they are getting a well over 100% increase in pay.....I am also curious how SWA mins are being considered in this whole mess. At lynx it looks like it is 1000 total and 100 Multi.....the insurance can't possible allow this....

 

[SWA/FO]

SWAPA said if we get Lynxx...they will be flown by Pilots on our list!!!!

 

[airlinepilot]

Not sure what the Lynx guys and gals get paid but I am sure SWAPA would get them a reasonable wage scale. But not the same as the 737.

 

[Cometman]

I am still not too thrilled about this Lynx stuff. We cannot let this slip under the radar. I do not want small planes under the SWA name....at the same time unless "we" SWAPA are flying them...for the same pay rates as the 737. If a 1st year guy at lynx is brought on board here they are getting a well over 100% increase in pay.....I am also curious how SWA mins are being considered in this whole mess. At lynx it looks like it is 1000 total and 100 Multi.....the insurance can't possible allow this....

I agree. If we have another type of aircraft it has to be the same pay rate as the 737. UPS does and it seems to work. However, if we are taking both groups then it has to be a staple. Just think if we did not staple. There could be Lynx guys ahead of SWA pilots? You would have to staple both groups for this to work.

 

[StopNTSing]

SWAPA stated they "want all FAPA Pilots".

This is exactly what SWAPA also said back during the Morris Air deal. The company pushed for the ability to interview each Morris pilot, but SWAPA said "nope, we want them all".....even the couple of problem children fired from SWA and subsequently hired at Morris.

I'm surprised this tidbit hasn't been raised more often recently with all the pot-shots SWAPA has been taking here lately.

 

[Richard Gozinya]

Probies NEVER buy a beer during the first year...........NEVER!

 

[starchkr]

I agree. If we have another type of aircraft it has to be the same pay rate as the 737. UPS does and it seems to work. However, if we are taking both groups then it has to be a staple. Just think if we did not staple. There could be Lynx guys ahead of SWA pilots? You would have to staple both groups for this to work.

Ok Cometman, what gives, do you have multiple personalities or what bro...I just copied this from another thread in which you are trashing the F9 guys and say, "F9 does not derserve to jump over any SWA pilot. They are lucky to be offered a job. Let me say, I am not a pilot with SWA. I could only wish I had the same chance as F9 will have." Yet in this thread you claim "if we are taking both groups then it has to be a staple."

 

[Megalops]

No kiddin, I noticed that also. Also another thing cometman, we dont get to decide, ya got it? I want to go with SWA, I am happy with whatever they come up with but again we dont have a whole lot to say about it. how about giving it a rest?

 

[luv2fly]

Just curious, what is the union procedure for the F9 integration vote? Is there a entire pilot vote or does the Union Exec's. decide?

 

[ASADFW7]

I would like to see one list including F9 and Lynx to avoid scope and codeshare issues. SWA is a great company to work for. Who knows how this will preceed, however SWAPA feels that this is a better path than fractured solutions.

 

[shootr]

Get your union leaders to AGREE to a method of intergration with SWAPA, then vote yes. That's how you make a choice if SWA wins the auction. Otherwise, what's behind door #2? If SWA loses the auction, what was the harm?

 

[mayoplane]

Plz educate me.

Why are we talking about taking lynx pilots? No offense, but they are regional
airlines, right? We are adding regional guys with relatively low experience to SWAPA list??

 

[737tanker]

Why are we talking about taking lynx pilots? No offense, but they are regional
airlines, right? We are adding regional guys with relatively low experience to SWAPA list??

If SWA buys Frontier Holdings then they get both Frontier and Lynx. It is better to have the Lynx pilots be SWAPA pilots than to allow SWA to operate an airline, even a small one, not flown by pilots that are on the SWAPA seniority list. As for not wanting regional guys at SWA about 1/2 of the pilots at SWA flew at regionals before coming to SWA, and many of those, including myself, flew nothing but turboprops.

 

[mayoplane]

I flew for two regionals myself but taking a FO from a prop and bring him/her to SWA makes no sense. Remember all the experience we had to get to fly for major/national?

 

[PCL_128]

Why are we talking about taking lynx pilots? No offense, but they are regional
airlines, right? We are adding regional guys with relatively low experience to SWAPA list??

As someone with CL65 in his profile, you should know better than to have a big ego about bringing regional guys on board. If the mainline carriers had fought for single lists in the '90s with their RJ pilots, we wouldn't have the massive mess that we do now in this industry. Those guys are airline pilots just like you are. Treat them like brothers.

I'm glad to see that SWAPA is pushing for a single list with everyone. It's an admirable position, and they should be commended.

 

[jonjuan]

I flew for two regionals myself but taking a FO from a prop and bring him/her to SWA makes no sense. Remember all the experience we had to get to fly for major/national?

A) most f/o's at lynx already have turbine pic and B), as a whole they have "more experience" as you put it than the average 1,500 hour f-16 guy/gal.

 

[firstthird]

If a plane is going to be flown with SWA colors, then it needs to have SWA pilots. period. I think our union understands this. hopefully we've learned from the experiences of others.

 

[mayoplane]

Hmmm. Am i that crazy and egoistic?? I appreciate all the input on this Lynx subject. I dont think a 9E guy who just got on board with 250 hrs would expect to get hired at DAL just because DAL aquired NWA. What about all the SWA poolies with Capt time who went to get the type rating?? Is it wrong to think that they deserve it more?

Im not trying to offend the Lynx guys. Just expressing MY feelings and i respect yours.

 

[StaySeated]

Here is my concern as an F9 guy.

Lets say SWA prevails in the auction. SWA and F9 currently fly to 30 of the same cities from Denver. If SWA owns F9, they surely will not continue to operate all of those flights. Additionally, SWA was already planning on decreasing capacity by 5-6% this year alone.

If they are decreasing capacity system wide, and they want to decrease capacity in Denver, where are all of the F9 guys going to fly?

I am not against the SWA acquisition, but I fear that it will lead to a huge number of furloughs. SWAPA is saying that they want all of the FAPA guys on the list, but where will we be on that list and how many of us will remain active?

 

[firstthird]

I'd suspect that F9 would be operated independent for some period of time. Hopefully this recession is over by then and SWA is back to growing. this probably won't be pretty no matter how it goes. even if SWA doesn't win and F9 goes to RAH. what do the chinese say, may you live in interesting times. not sure if it is supposed to be a curse or a blessing or both.

 

[firstthird]

What about all the SWA poolies with Capt time who went to get the type rating?

that is a real problem. having spent 2 years 2 months in the SWA pool, I feel your pain. if the F9 deal does go through, I don't think there is any real way that SWAPA could put poolies above F9 pilots on some SLI but I'm just some idiot on flight info. call the people department, not that they'll have answers but they are nice to talk to and they'll tell you what they know and can. I truly hope that we keep the pool intact and that you guys get treated fairly, although I can't say what that is. Unfortunately, the union has 5915 pilots already on property to take care of first.

 

[RedDogC130]

SWA pilots...this is operation Saving C.J....period.....you know what I am talking about