SWAPA Update

[Luv2BFlyin]

Nevermind that the SWA FO was senior right? You might end up with slightly increased seniority, but man is it going to cost you.

Do you mean senior by DOH?

 

[madjack]

"That is the hard part about this. Surely there is another way to approach this that addresses both parties concerns."

The positions have hardened... I know that our management wanted a negotiated SLI, the MC/MEC disconnect has exacerbated those plans

 

[madjack]

"Do you mean senior by DOH"

I am a 10 year SWA FO...under the AIP I would have been pulling gear for a 2005-6 AAI CP...we all had our cross to bear in the AIP...at least the AAI pilots were getting a billion or two out of the deal (2 mil individually)...you want the money and seniority, I get it, you feel entitled to this because of M/B...

 

[Fubijaakr]

More noise from the SWA interview reject. Obviously the process works. Pretty pathetic, your obvious jealousy toward Southwest, it really shows here. .

Sorry to burst your bubble on a couple of counts. First, I never applied. SWA was LAST on my list behind all the legacies, FedEX, UPS and Airborne Express. Somehow the thought of having to buy a type rating for an interview went against my grain. I'm generally opposed to "pay for training."

Second, until this came down I had plenty of respect for SWA guys. Know a bunch of them from the Navy, in fact.

It was just YOUR disgusting arrogance and behavior as a group on this forum that brought me into the fray.

Check the mirror.

But What does that have to do with the AAI MEC turning down your well slanted seniority proposal....

And another laughable moment is you thinking your "culture" is at stake...maybe the CULT of GK isn't for eveybody.

No kidding.

 

[redflyer65]

Madjack is right.

My how the AAI dynamics have changed over a short 18 months. They don't want to lose any realitive seniority, and they would really like the payrates, QOL, and career expectations that SWAPA brings to the table with our contract. I never thought the beaten down AAI pilots would turn so quickly.

I see mediation accomplishing nothing. Both sides are hardened and won't be willing to give...especially on the SWAPA side. I think our eyes are now wide open.

 

[Muppets]

Madjack is right.

My how the AAI dynamics have changed over a short 18 months. They don't want to lose any realitive seniority, and they would really like the payrates, QOL, and career expectations that SWAPA brings to the table with our contract. I never thought the beaten down AAI pilots would turn so quickly.

I see mediation accomplishing nothing. Both sides are hardened and won't be willing to give...especially on the SWAPA side. I think our eyes are now wide open.

Have you even been paying attention?

 

[redflyer65]

Muppet, WTF dude. I throw in a SW prospective and that's your response. Cool.

 

[learherkjay]

Sorry to burst your bubble on a couple of counts. First, I never applied. SWA was LAST on my list behind all the legacies, FedEX, UPS and Airborne Express. Somehow the thought of having to buy a type rating for an interview went against my grain. I'm generally opposed to "pay for training."

Second, until this came down I had plenty of respect for SWA guys. Know a bunch of them from the Navy, in fact.

It was just YOUR disgusting arrogance and behavior as a group on this forum that brought me into the fray.

Check the mirror.



No kidding.

Judging an entire pilot group on the basis of several pilot's postings on an anonymous forum is the essence of showing bias and handing down judgement.

Check your mirror...no kidding!

 

[Scoot 11]

So let me get this straight. AAI pilots should just roll over and accept what the SW guys offer them? Um, OK. <confused>

 

[madjack]

AAI pilots should just roll over and accept what the SW guys offer them? Um, OK.


It was negotiated between AAI/SWA pilots...??

 

[madjack]

AAI,

Do what you think is right for your careers...but turning down big $$ in the worst recession since the big one and the chance to have a negotiated settlement between the pilot groups took guts...i'll give you that, good luck!

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

"Do you mean senior by DOH"

I am a 10 year SWA FO...under the AIP I would have been pulling gear for a 2005-6 AAI CP...we all had our cross to bear in the AIP...at least the AAI pilots were getting a billion or two out of the deal (2 mil individually)...you want the money and seniority, I get it, you feel entitled to this because of M/B...

And as an 11 year captain, I could be waiting another 11 years from now while 2005-6 WN f/o's upgrade til I'll finally be safely off reserve (it will take 8 years to get back to 50%, 11 years to get to 40%, and 17 years to get to my current%). If I was getting 2M cash now, I'd definitely consider it. Unfortunately, only the promise of 2M spread out over the next 25 years in return for giving up that much seniority just wasn't worth it to me personally. YMMV

 

[madjack]

8 years X SWA CP pay raise = a lot of sympathy bucks...I would trade places with you in a heartbeat!! An upgrade at SWA is worth that much to me!

 

[Roomwithaview]

Jack

Give it a rest. Trying to be rational with these jokers is a waste of your time. Stop posting and torturing yourself. You're a good dude. I can't believe how patient you've been with them. Let them keep beating their chests. We're already increasing our service and reducing theirs. We'll see how much longer the jihadists control the rank and file of Airtranny.

See you out on line fellers.

 

[madjack]

RWAV,

Your right, I give up...see ya tomorrow on FI...