SWAPA is a joke

[LiveFreeorDie]

If you are an FO you are pissed if you are a Capt you are happy with AIP.

After arbitration I am willing to bet....if you are a Capt you come out happy...if you are currently and FO...you won't be.


Our FO's are pissed about the agreement...so are yours.



I SAY STEP BACK FOR ONE MINUTE.....sure get educated and go vote your conscience (I can't spell)...but come back to this one point...




NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS THINGS ARE GONNA TURN OUT WELL FOR US.


We may get something great or something crappy...but


SWA has 30 years of profits

We haven't furloughed.

We pay well.

We have good benefits.

And the employees and mgmt seem to get along better than other places...

So after this fight is over go thank your God that you live in the US, you work for a great company, and you have the privlidge...privladge..privl..that you are one lucky bastard to have such a great charmed life compared to 99% of the other 4 billion on the planet!


Seriously...do you remember seeing old airline pilots bitching about their 6 figure incomes and thinking...what an ass.....?

I do.


So lets not forget even if I got totally SCREWED in this deal, tomorrow I still get paid well to do a job I still enjoy....

Good luck and if you get screwed make your Capt buy you beers, burritos and coffee until you feel better about making 6 figures to swing gear....

 

[Fubijaakr]

So I should take a job at Atlas so my expectations would improve.

You do know the difference between apples and oranges, don't you?

Man, you Luvvers are good red herring fishermen.

 

[scoreboardII]

SWA has 30 years of profits

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I think its up to 40 years of profits, but, your'e on a roll with that who bombed Pearl harbor thing.

 

[Sacha]

Fubi is angry and bitter about something. As a former Eastern guy, I have seen his type before. My gut feeling is he's a currently a tranny. Formally Valuejet. Before that, an Eastern Scab. His tone and tenor fit the profile. Nuff said.

 

[Bake]

I was thinking the same thing. This dribble could only come from a line jumper.

 

[On Your Six]

Actually, its IS a merger of equals. Your career expectation was to be a 737 CA. So was AAI's. That's all that really matters.

Career expectations historically ONLY refers to widebody vs. narrowbody upgrade potential.

Not when. Not at what pay. Wide vs. narrow...period.

You guys sold yourselves on the idea that because they are getting a pay raise, YOU should get preferential upgrades.

The only thing unequal in this SLI discussion is the origination date of Air Tran vs. SWA. Everything else is B.S.

Face it, YOU want to jump the line for a CA upgrade. YOU want to relegate the AAI F/Os to a decade of indentured servitude because for some unknown reason, you seem to think you are somehow superior because you were willing to buy a type rating to get hired at SWA.

Here's an uncomfortable factoid for you...it wasn't too long ago that SWA was just a glorified regional airline that paid like a regional. It was the place where you went when you couldn't get hired by a legacy.

All you had to do was buy a type rating and you're in like Flint.

Now just because you get paid a lot, doesn't mean you're any better or worse than any other 737 pilot. Don't forget, the 737 is the entry level jet in most of the third world.

So where does that leave you? An overpaid, third-world jet jockey who had to buy his type rating to get his seniority number.

I just can't figure out where the arrogance comes from.

Sadly, you're wrong on both counts. I don't hate SWA. I'm just mystified how come all you SWA F/Os who post here grew such big egos. They probably go with your big watches.

I'll never forget my PA IP's response when I asked him how he liked being a SWA pilot. "Well," he said, "I fly 8 legs a day and never leave Texas."

That comment came to mind when I was talking to a SWA CA outside the hotel the other morning. He was going coast to coast, but it was going to take him 5 legs and all day to get there.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

OMG I just threw up laughing. That describes Redflyer perfectly, "an overpaid third world jetjocky.". He'll never see it though, because he and other Corndogs on here are blinded by their payrates and the brown cloud emanating from the hotel bathroom in El Paso after eating the chicken quesadilla at the bar. Stay classy El Paso, and corndog overpaid third world jet jockies!




OYS

 

[kwick]

Arbitration. It's on!

 

[scoreboardII]

Careful what you wish for...

 

[On Your Six]

Careful what you wish for...

Threats anyone? Can you back that up? That is an option in the Process Agreement signed by GK, right?


OYS

 

[jonjuan]

Careful what you wish for...

Good luck with that............

 

[Whataburger]

I think its up to 40 years of profits, but, your'e on a roll with that who bombed Pearl harbor thing.

The Germans?

 

[CMonBoard]

Well, at least I'm hearing the Airtran FOs won't be paying for their type rating. That's like getting a $6,000 bonus right off the bat! Wow, what's not to LUV. That's worth a couple numbers right there.

 

[Fubijaakr]

As a former Eastern guy, I have seen his type before. My gut feeling is he's a currently a tranny. Formally Valuejet.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, Ace. I was on active duty when the EAL debacles went down. Don't work for AAI either, but you just keep dreaming.

BTW, if you're going to insult someone, you should know how to spell it.

I was thinking the same thing. This dribble could only come from a line jumper.

Swing and a miss! The only line jumpers I see are SWA F/Os.

 

[scoreboardII]

Swing and a miss! The only line jumpers I see are SWA F/Os.

Sorry ace, when the list comes out, nobody jumps anything, it's mutually agreed upon, nice try though making it look like SWA FO's control the deal.

 

[Fubijaakr]

....nobody jumps anything, it's mutually agreed upon, nice try though making it look like SWA FO's control the deal.

Nobody jumps anything? Tell it to the 650 AAI f/os who are getting stapled, banned from upgrading for a decade AND become instant furlough fodder when SWA dumps the 717s.

When the company talks about shrinkage, you don't think they're going to park 737s do you?

You may not control the deal, but you junior SWA f/os are the ones getting the GIANT seniority windfall. And with that windfall comes the upgrade financial windfall as well.

The AAI MEC and pilots are some serious knuckleheads if they vote for this AIP POS.

 

[Empennage]

Nobody jumps anything? Tell it to the 650 AAI f/os who are getting stapled, banned from upgrading for a decade AND become instant furlough fodder when SWA dumps the 717s.

When the company talks about shrinkage, you don't think they're going to park 737s do you?

You may not control the deal, but you junior SWA f/os are the ones getting the GIANT seniority windfall. And with that windfall comes the upgrade financial windfall as well.

The AAI MEC and pilots are some serious knuckleheads if they vote for this AIP POS.

I assumed since you are so engaged on a matter which you are not directly involved in, you would have some remarkable knowledge on the aip. It's becoming quite obvious, however, you simply do no understand the negotiated agreement and the complexities it takes into consideration.

Sitting there and focusing only on one group who is impacted by the aip is like the fed govt saying we don't have enough revenue.

I respect your right to freedom of speech but pointing out the same thing over and over again without pointing to the overall picture has a negative outcome on what you are attempting to illustrate. It's falling on deaf ears.

I'd be happy to point out other groups who also have a negative impact from the aip.

 

[Sacha]

Fubar,

If you are not Valuejet, and you are not Southwest. Who then do you fly for that makes you so bitter, angry and verging on hysterical? Is this merger outcome really any business of yours?

I just had breakfast with a Delta bud and we were laughing about the few guys like you that we have known over the years. We met at Eastern and then got hired at Usair just as they were merging three great airlines Piedmont, Usair and PSA. The guys from all those airlines were (are) awesome. Sadly, they took 3 great airlines and turned it into one big not so great airline. We got furloughed after one year and shortly thereafter he ended up at Delta,myself at Southwest. As we reflected back on our careers and all of our friends and our own fathers who have been involved virtually every merger,buyout bankruptcy,strike that you can think of since the early 70's, we came to the conclusion that virtually everyone who enters this business is going to believe they got screwed somehow, someway. Some multiple times. The airline business like Capitalism isn't always fair but me and my Delta bud wouldn't have done it any other way. Both our fathers tried to talk us out of aviation as a career giving us a clear picture of difficulties an airline pilot had faced from just after WW2 until the mid 70's when we started flying. We knew it wasn't going to always be fair. That's why we chose to walk the picket line as opposed to scabbing at Eastern. Then we moved on without anger and bitterness about OUR situation. We certainly didn't get wrapped around the axle about OTHER peoples situations that we were not a part of. We have our opinions, but we wouldn't THINK of ever going on a thread about USAIR/America West where we have a lot of friends at both and rant and rave about fair/unfair, right and wrong.

 

[waveflyer]

A rational voice of experience. Nice post sacha

 

[scoreboardII]

Nobody jumps anything? Tell it to the 650 AAI f/os who are getting stapled, banned from upgrading for a decade AND become instant furlough fodder when SWA dumps the 717s.
The AAI MEC and pilots are some serious knuckleheads if they vote for this AIP POS.

You have now proven your ignorance of the deal and it's furlough provisions.

Ignore list;Fubijaakr

 

[waveflyer]

Hey fubi- you're clearly a troll- but are you saying that IF GK dumps the 717's, that furloughs from that should come from any other place than the air tran pilots?? How does that make sense in your world.
And as for apples to oranges. SWA is one of the most successful, award winning CORPORATIONS in history. Career expectations cannot and should not be defined in a similar way as previous M&As.
As I said before, a great many of us, knowingly gave up widebody legacies and prioritized a better, more ethical, more financially sound company over International flying.
And I don't see the red herring in the Atlas comment above. Clearly, there is more to career choice than the size of plane.