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SWAPA does not lose anything for the AAI raise

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Ask any Original Valuejet about the $12000 they had to cough up to get that low, low paying DC 9 gig in the late 1990s. I'm not hating, just pointing out that VJ was PFT by the very definition. Get hired, go to flightsafety with said $12000 and hope you pass. I don't believe a type rating came from that training either. If I am wrong please correct me.
 
And if losing a third of your seniority is unacceptable- how will you reconcile what you can bring to the table vs what swa management has expected for 4 decades to ensure loyalty and that warrior spirit?

This right here is going to be the linch pin of these negotiations..

Look at it this way, if the AAI guys turned down the latest deal with the SLI list with a DOH-(3-4yrs), were are we headed? We know the money is gone to grease the AAI side. So that leaves them with the same list and less money.

How do the AAI guys invision getting MORE seniority out of the SLI 9 list other than going to arbitration. The money that they could have earned almost immediately has been burned either way.

I think SW and SWAPA this week will be a little more militant than in the past. I believe we will reach a 'take it, or leave it' moment this week for sure. Interesting.

RF
 
With all of the back and forth that goes on there does not seem to be very much constructive exchange of information.
Based on laws that were passed and the agreements that were signed in each respective carriers CBA's it stands to reason that GK knew that he would have to integrate the pilot groups. Both CBA's required it. There would be one representative voice for that pilot group (SWAPA). All pilots would have to be covered under one CBA.

Maybe GK wants a B scale so that he can explore other avenues with smaller jets (Embraer or CS series)? Maybe he wants to have a B scale so that if he chooses to bring a larger jet on property he can manage costs better. One thing that is a certainty is that SWAPA will be the bargaining agent for all pilots at SWA. Your management works closely with it's employee groups but I am quite certain he does not share ALL his plans with you.

Yes, SWA is starting service into ATL in February and it is about time. As stated in the reports, AT provided 1 penny of every 15 cents that was made for the second quarter. Imagine what that profit would have been had the 737's from AT had been flying to Cancun from Phoenix 5 times a day. That is a huge part of the inbound traffic for SWA customers. Get off a SWA jet in Phoenix and get on another carrier to go to Cancun. Money lost. Why waste a 737 that can fly "Carribbean or Central America" international on a Houston turn. The market is there, it just has to be capitalized upon. The inefficiences of our scheduling department are of biblical proportions. Imagine what the contirbution to the second quarter profit would have been had AT crews been scheduled effectively and efficiently.

AT has pilots on this seniority list with amazing backgrounds and experiences. I come away from each trip with a greater appreciation with the paths that some have taken in this industry. SWA has the exact same kind of pilots. So does Delta, Untited, American, Jet Blue, Allegiant, Comair, American Eagle, PSA..... and so on. They are all human beings with families and friends, trials and tribulations, strengths and weaknesses.

SWA has the requirment to have a 737 type rating. Does not guarantee a job or an interview. Those that got hired at SWA got their type in one way or another.
My understanding is that the profit sharing has been in the $5-10K range????? Maybe if the integrated pilots did not receive their "share" of the profit sharing for a year or two? You can then recoup some of the cost of your type rating that seems to be the big differentiator. Now we can be part of the collective good and have some ownership in the success of SWA.

SL9 is gone. It stapled every pilot hired at AT since September 2005 (over 560 pilots) below the very last pilot on the SWA seniority list as of 9/26/2010. (Hired September 2008). SL9 guaranteed every 737 Captain that was flushed out of ATL would be the absolutely bottom bidding Captain in the SWA bid at every base until the last pilot hired in September 2008 had upgraded (10-12 years).

GK would not have done this deal if it was just going to earn a couple of extra pennies. He has much greater plans for the combined airline. Let the merger committees do their job.
 
Gk

Thought he was acquiring a group of pilots that would appreciate the deal they were getting just by working for Southwest. Then, he gave them even more with SL9.

He had no idea the cancer he was bringing into his successful airline. This battle will not ensue long. The best way to eliminate cancer is to remove it.
 
Seriously, Sacka...

If that's the best you got, take it to the local elementary schoolyard where your intellectual peers hang out.
 
Psycho is back.....

He never leaves.:rolleyes: He is obsessed with Southwest and Virgin America, probably because no one ever starts a thread on Alaska Airlines. Then again, why would they?
 
Why do you guys at SWAPA think that because we are getting a pay raise that you need to gain something from that?

You are not lossing a dam think from AAI guys getting a pay bump from this merger.

For you to gain something we have to loose something. Big because you are three times the size. Stop picking on the little guys.

Now I know there are issues with retirements, and upgrades. Lets make a deal.

I know I'm a bit late to this thread, but...

Are you asking why we would care if trannies, many of whom are unqualified and many others who tried and failed to get hired at SWA, should get all the financial benefit of this great job AND get an SLI that rewards your mediocraty for years to come?

As far as "Let's make a deal", you're an idot! We already made a deal! Y'all kicked and screamed until your MEC listened enough to kill the deal. Now you are all whining, claiming your MEC went rogue and didn't have the right to make that decision for you. Boo Hoo!!
 
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I'm sure that was an exchange full of informative ideas, and constructive discussion.
 

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