SWA wants to fly from HOU to MEX and SouthAmerica

[On Your Six]

But with a much smaller footprint.

AA could have their pilots fly for free and it would still have a higher CASM than SWA.

There might be a smaller footprint, but BKs tend to make them more profitable eventually. They drop leases, airport fees, planes they don't need, and unfortunately freeze pensions in their case. That all adds up to lowering that CASM, and that will make it tougher on you. GK said that as much in that memo or article after your Airtran deal was completed. It won't be easier.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[On Your Six]

I find it in very poor taste speculating about a company is bankruptcy. There are people who's lives are impacted greatly by this event, and speaking about rumor to serves nothing here on a thread that isn't about that company?

I just said it was a rumor, and I have heard them, along with articles in the media. Some of those rumors may benefit the AA pilots, getting them away from their own management. I never said anyone would lose a job. Some may want the option to go with another airline as a merger partner.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[ASADFW7]

In one post you mention smaller footprint, and the next you try to justify the crap out of your mouth. Your an idiot.

 

[On Your Six]

In one post you mention smaller footprint, and the next you try to justify the crap out of your mouth. Your an idiot.

"Your an idiot" ? Is this from the moderator or just you personally? A smaller footprint could include planes they had parked, but were still paying leases on. I believe they were still paying on some Fokkers that had been parked years ago. That is a perk of BK. Can you believe that could be a possibility?


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[Flopgut]

But with a much smaller footprint.

I find it in very poor taste speculating about a company in bankruptcy. There are people who's lives are impacted greatly by this event, and speaking about rumor to serves nothing here on a thread that isn't about that company?

I just said it was a rumor, and I have heard them, along with articles in the media. Some of those rumors may benefit the AA pilots, getting them away from their own management. I never said anyone would lose a job. Some may want the option to go with another airline as a merger partner.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

In one post you mention smaller footprint, and the next you try to justify the crap out of your mouth. Your an idiot.

I know SWA is the sacred cow on here, but come on! How does a MODERATOR not get this right? Do you even read SWA pilot's posts? Or do you just give them the benefit of the doubt? The first guy who mentioned a "smaller footprint" for AA is a SWA guy. Hey ASADFW7: how does that not make YOU the idiot?

All in all, with this Hobby thing, it actually bodes well for the new UAL (and everybosy else). I thought SWA would have the wearwithall to start intl flights in legitimate manner. To find out they can't do it without another airport hustle, means they are weaker than I thought. It will be fought, but SWA might get the go-ahead. The corrupt Texas airport deal is SWA's wellspring, and Houston is not happy with UAL moving hdqrtrs to Chicago (even though we are still one of the largest employers in town).

 

[On Your Six]

I know SWA is the sacred cow on here, but come on! How does a MODERATOR not get this right? Do you even read SWA pilot's posts? Or do you just give them the benefit of the doubt? The first guy who mentioned a "smaller footprint" for AA is a SWA guy. Hey ASADFW7: how does that not make YOU the idiot?

All in all, with this Hobby thing, it actually bodes well for the new UAL (and everybosy else). I thought SWA would have the wearwithall to start intl flights in legitimate manner. To find out they can't do it without another airport hustle, means they are weaker than I thought. It will be fought, but SWA might get the go-ahead. The corrupt Texas airport deal is SWA's wellspring, and Houston is not happy with UAL moving hdqrtrs to Chicago (even though we are still one of the largest employers in town).

I can't tell if the MODERATOR was the one saying "YOUR AN IDIOT" or if it was ASADFW7 himself. I have to tread lightly.

As far as the Hobby thing goes, I just can't see 6 daily SWA 737s flying to Bogota from HOU. I guess it would be something different for those guys, but if they are excited about it now, let them do a couple MEX layovers and see if the attitude changes after that. Not that fun, trust me. Now Hawaii, that may be fun for them, but Mexico and South (except CUN), not so much.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[scoreboardII]

It's going to be the city of HOU to lose, if so, my bet all international shifts to AUS or SAT. Their gain, HOU better choose wisely.

 

[scoreboardII]

In one post you mention smaller footprint, and the next you try to justify the crap out of your mouth. Your an idiot.

So much for unbiased moderating.

 

[scoreboardII]

I find it in very poor taste speculating about a company in bankruptcy. There are people who's lives are impacted greatly by this event, and speaking about rumor to serves nothing here on a thread that isn't about that company?

Is the moderator speaking or asadfw7 who obviously has a stake in the game speaking?

 

[Flopgut]

I thought he might actually be correcting Scoreboard, and then he snapped at you [On Your Six]. Maybe some posts got alterred, but it doesn't look like it.

As far as SWA actually flying outside the country, I don't care. They just need to get in line like the rest of us and play by the rules. If Hobby is going to have Intl departures then the facilities need to be made available to all of us. I can assure you, that is not their intention. SWA exists only by what it did at Love Field. It was just a matter of time before they tried the same thing again.

 

[Flopgut]

It's going to be the city of HOU to lose, if so, my bet all international shifts to AUS or SAT. Their gain, HOU better choose wisely.

The city of Houston has chosen, It's IAH. You can do anything you want at that airport, just get in line and compete for it. No more hand outs.

 

[ASADFW7]

I am guilty of being the idiot. I am human. A apology with no disclaimers.

 

[Flopgut]

Nicely stated....

 

[Cometman]

The city of Houston has chosen, It's IAH. You can do anything you want at that airport, just get in line and compete for it. No more hand outs.

I believe the article said that SWA will pay for all the facilities and it will not cost the taxpayer anything. Having said that, it appears you would be concerned because you cannot compete against SWA.

 

[Whataburger]

If our 25 international flights a day out of Houston are gonna topple the economy, split the city in two, put United into a tailspin, and wreck the air traffic system; then United, the city of Houston and the FAA have much bigger issues they need to address.

Standby for Houston's second dose of the Southwest Effect. The city and it's people will win.

 

[scoreboardII]

The city of Houston has chosen, It's IAH. You can do anything you want at that airport, just get in line and compete for it. No more hand outs.

Like DFW? No thanks, free market baby, get in line. Here comes SWA.

 

[fam62c]

What is it with Texas and these barriers to competition? More flights out of more airports to more places is a good thing. Some communities are losing air service and begging to get it back. Are you telling me the people of Houston would say no to more air service if you polled them? Have a referendum and let the consumers decide what is best.

 

[On Your Six]

So much for unbiased moderating.

"In one post you mention smaller footprint, and the next you try to justify the crap out of your mouth. Your an idiot."

This is what I got when I said something far more tame.



Dear On Your Six,

You have received an infraction at Flightinfo.com Hangar.

Reason: Insulted Other Member(s)
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I asked you to stop being disruptive, and you insist on hiding behind the cloak of help, when you are being intrusive and condescending.
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This infraction is worth 1 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.



Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[ASADFW7]

I was referring to the American Airlines bankruptcy speculation, not about SWA. I have a friend in maintenance there who is about to lose his job. Not easy has his wife had a double mastectomy this year, and they have a one year old as well as a couple other kids. I wasn't referring to SWA. Calling one person am idiot is within the TOS, stirring up a whole forum is different. I apologized let's move on.

 

[Flopgut]

I believe the article said that SWA will pay for all the facilities and it will not cost the taxpayer anything. Having said that, it appears you would be concerned because you cannot compete against SWA.

If our 25 international flights a day out of Houston are gonna topple the economy, split the city in two, put United into a tailspin, and wreck the air traffic system; then United, the city of Houston and the FAA have much bigger issues they need to address.

Standby for Houston's second dose of the Southwest Effect. The city and it's people will win.

Like DFW? No thanks, free market baby, get in line. Here comes SWA.

There is a lot more to this type flying, in this location, than you guys realize. Traffic over the Gulf is congested. The line-up sequence starts at the gates. The larger number of flights that depart IAH don't need to get jammed up with Hobby departures. Maybe if we keep you guys below FL230, or put you behind any/all IAH traffic it would work? You'll have to live with something like that if you pull this off. (and then the SWA bawling will really start)

Another problem is that SWA wants to deny equal access to whatever they carve out for themselves. That aint going to work. Let everybody in on whatever you get. We'll be down there. Us Continental Bubbas kicked you butts once, we'll kick it again. SWA effect my a$$ Whataburger. If the city does the right thing and looks at what you guys did to Ft. Worth/Dallas they'll send you up to IAH and see if you can handle a fair fight. The "SWA effect" is snake oil these days boys....