SWA wants to fly from HOU to MEX and SouthAmerica

[Flopgut]

What makes you think SWA is such a threat out of HOU?

Forgot to answer your question. The reason is, ultimately, you have no problem flying out of IAH. In fact, you probably plan to. It's like Chase readily admits on page 1 of this thread. SWA is going to end up going to DFW. Even with all the decades of WA drama and consternation, SWA will end up going to DFW. Houston doesn't have to wonder what your plan is. You intend to skirmish from a safe distance with the IAH carriers, assail IAH as ridiculously expensive, and ultimately wreck the airport financially and contribute to the bankruptsy of the predominant carrier. Then move in when you can get the whole thing for cents on the dollar.

 

[texman]

Flopgut, I respect your thoughts. Thx

 

[scoreboardII]

Flop, it only took 40 years to wreck AA at DFW, is that what your worried about, 40 years from now?

 

[StarrBuck]

Flopgut.. seriously, you gotta let go dude.. you are going to give yourself a coronary with your SWA hatred.. Your logic is twisted and sick.. By your assumption that we are going to put CAL out of business by flying to mexico from HOU, then move into IAH for pennies on the dollar.. Do you think that SWA will do the same with ORD? Or maybe IAD? Do you think SWA is kicking your ass in EWR? Hardly.. The difference between you and SWA is that you want SWA to foot the bill to start an operation in IAH, so that they can compete with you there.. They want to PAY with their own MONEY to build the facility to fly internationally from HOU, which creates COMPETITION, and is better for the consumer.. SWA doesn't want to have 'the only game in town at HOU'.. If there are international facilities in HOU, I'm sure CAL can come on down if they choose to do so..

As someone above posted.. We are getting the equipment, and have the customers who want to come with us.. that's it.. Go have a beer or spend some time with your kids.. All of us will thank you for it..

GD

 

[vixin]

Why didn't UCAL or any other airline fly out of Hobby before SWA dominated it? It is called business and we the pilots have nothing to do about it. We just fly them where we are told. And hopefully that will be to Intl destinations.

 

[fam62c]

Forgot to answer your question. The reason is, ultimately, you have no problem flying out of IAH. In fact, you probably plan to. It's like Chase readily admits on page 1 of this thread. SWA is going to end up going to DFW. Even with all the decades of WA drama and consternation, SWA will end up going to DFW. Houston doesn't have to wonder what your plan is. You intend to skirmish from a safe distance with the IAH carriers, assail IAH as ridiculously expensive, and ultimately wreck the airport financially and contribute to the bankruptsy of the predominant carrier. Then move in when you can get the whole thing for cents on the dollar.

I think that you are being a tad over-dramatic. SW can only do so much with 737's, UCAL has a lot more reach, seats and airplanes of all types. SW will probably make the total market bigger rather than stealing a lot of business from UCAL. CAL has done very well competing against SW in Houston for a long time. The 737 has been a key to the success of SW but it also serves as a constraint for SW.

 

[dicko]

Forgot to answer your question. The reason is, ultimately, you have no problem flying out of IAH. In fact, you probably plan to. It's like Chase readily admits on page 1 of this thread. SWA is going to end up going to DFW. Even with all the decades of WA drama and consternation, SWA will end up going to DFW. Houston doesn't have to wonder what your plan is. You intend to skirmish from a safe distance with the IAH carriers, assail IAH as ridiculously expensive, and ultimately wreck the airport financially and contribute to the bankruptsy of the predominant carrier. Then move in when you can get the whole thing for cents on the dollar.

You're expecting an airline to support a specific airport based on the premise that the airport will go broke if it doesn't ? The fact that competing airlines are squealing so loudly about SWA's plan proves that it's a great idea for SWA.

Here's what the Mayor of Houston thinks about United and there service from IAH:

"Mayor Parker on Saturday tweeted: "Just landed from spring break trip with girls. 1.5 hours late leaving Houston and 8 hours late coming back from SF. Great merger, United!" March 20 2012


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/03/20/state/n085821D52.DTL

 

[Double Shot]

Hey Flop,

The new terminal at Hobby already has the ability to handle customs and immigration. They already had that planned when they built the facility. At this point its not about if but when we are allowed to start. And it will happen dispight your whining.

 

[texman]

So the question is, how far south can a 737-700-800 go from HOU? What's realistic?

 

[Bill Nelson]

Point to point along a multi-country route is not cabotage. The 737 can go anywhere south that has O&D traffic and steady demand.

 

[humveedriver]

So the question is, how far south can a 737-700-800 go from HOU? What's realistic?

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737family/pf/pf_rc_newyork.html

Gives you an idea at least.

-700 @ 3400 NM
-800 @ 3100 NM

HOU to Rio is about 5,000 NM and 11 hours of flying. Aruba is AirTrans most southern destination. 2300 NM from HOU. North coast of S. America would be no problem. Further inland the high terrain I think becomes 757/787 territory.

 

[texman]

Hum, thx. I still think we will see a bigger airplane. Plus wouldn't MCO be a better launching point?

 

[humveedriver]

Bigger and higher performance plane. The -800 is bigger, but has less range. The extra seats make it more viable on longer flights, but at some point, you run out of airplane. HOU will kick butt going to Mexico, both for traffic and geography. Heading down to S. America, it's south and east so MCO has the edge there.

 

[waveflyer]

Hum, thx. I still think we will see a bigger airplane. Plus wouldn't MCO be a better launching point?

Its a good point that most of S America is east of miami- but i think HOU would provide more O&D traffic- and only etops airplanes can do the straight shot from florida to north coast of SA due to distance between the DR/Haiti and Aruba-
(just eyeballing it- correct me if I'm wrong) whereas HOU routes are close to land all the way south from that angle.

 

[humveedriver]

The geography/geometry is hard to eyeball. I still look at the Latin 7/8 chart to gain better understanding of whats where. Essentially you can go anywhere in the gulf, down the Caribbean island chain, to include overflying Cuba all day long with out ETOPs. You just need rafts. That buys us a 405 NM limit. But then you also need VHF radio coverage. Which you do in the Gulf with some floating transmitters out there and of course the various islands. When we decided to go to Bermuda, that opened up the ETOPs question, but it was determined we could still go there using rafts and HF radio (sat back up). That also opened the door to using WATRS routing between PR and BWI.