SWA wants to fly from HOU to MEX and SouthAmerica

[humveedriver]

You guys think what CAL has at IAH is/was a monopoly. I see it as the fruits of labor. Shoulder to plow. Years of dedication and hard work. (Is that not at least somewhat true with slots?) Why do you think SWA should be entitled to wreck that? Why should SWA be spared the effort?

Yeah, I get that you're a discounter. But what really blows your case is that GK wants this paid for by someone else. SWA doesn't even intend to put the same sort of investment into a HOU FIS that CAL had to at IAH! YGTBSM!

High speed rail? Google it.

If the request gets approved, nothing will be ready until 2015 or so. Plenty of time for United to figure out their next step. When SWA starts their new service out of Hobby, United will look at sending a few planes over to compete. Then decide it is not worth the effort. They will respond by lowering fares out of IAH and doubling mileage points on similar routes. SWA will win the PR battle by showing the Southwest effect. United pax will be happy. SWA pax will be happy. That's why I think it will get approved. United won't be happy, and I dont think that will be enough to prevent the FIS from being built.

 

[Double Shot]

Flop,

You are a true cal pilot. All bark and no bite.

 

[PCL_128]

You guys think what CAL has at IAH is/was a monopoly. I see it as the fruits of labor. Shoulder to plow. Years of dedication and hard work. (Is that not at least somewhat true with slots?)

No, that's not true with slots. Slots were all awarded back in the day when there were plenty of slots to go around and all of the airlines who wanted them were able to get them. Now, decades later, there aren't enough slots for everyone, and the legacy carriers that picked them up in the first place (without paying a single dime for them) still hold those slots, while new entrants can't get any at all. And then the legacies want the right to just give those slots to other carriers who they don't view as a threat, while locking out the carriers who they do view as a threat. It's a complete affront to a free market system.

Why do you think SWA should be entitled to wreck that? Why should SWA be spared the effort?

Spared the effort? What a joke. I've never been a SWA cheerleader, and I'm not going to start now just because I've been "acquired," but for anyone to claim that SWA got to where they are without a hell of a lot of effort is laughable. SWA has had obstacles put in their way from the beginning, and has always overcome them. This is just the latest example.

But what really blows your case is that GK wants this paid for by someone else.

A lie.

High speed rail? Google it.

No thanks. You're the one who wants to make the point. You present the evidence.

 

[texman]

No, that's not true with slots. Slots were all awarded back in the day when there were plenty of slots to go around and all of the airlines who wanted them were able to get them. Now, decades later, there aren't enough slots for everyone, and the legacy carriers that picked them up in the first place (without paying a single dime for them) still hold those slots, while new entrants can't get any at all. And then the legacies want the right to just give those slots to other carriers who they don't view as a threat, while locking out the carriers who they do view as a threat. It's a complete affront to a free market system.



Spared the effort? What a joke. I've never been a SWA cheerleader, and I'm not going to start now just because I've been "acquired," but for anyone to claim that SWA got to where they are without a hell of a lot of effort is laughable. SWA has had obstacles put in their way from the beginning, and has always overcome them. This is just the latest example.



A lie.



No thanks. You're the one who wants to make the point. You present the evidence.

Yes, a Lie!!!!!!! I want want proof that this is funded by another party. I agree with PCL. This won't cost a dime from the city of Houston!

 

[Flopgut]

http://www.keepiahstrong.com/

FACT CHECK

CLAIM: Dallas-based Southwest will pay for the new FIS facility at Hobby.

THE FACTS: As Aviation Director Mario Diaz stated in a public hearing on April 16, the City of Houston would issue bonds to construct the proposed Hobby facilities. HAS stated its intent to use revenue from an increased Passenger Facility Charge to pay for the facility. This means that all passengers flying from Hobby, not just international passengers, and including those traveling on carriers other than Southwest, would be paying for the facility. Southwest’s promised $100 million investment in Houston will actually be financed by City of Houston debt to be paid back by a ticket tax on all Hobby passengers.

A lie.

Yes, a Lie!!!!!!! I want want proof that this is funded by another party. I agree with PCL. This won't cost a dime from the city of Houston!

I think the most obvious lie here is that you two checked "yes" on the box next to the question: "Do you read, speak and understand english?"

 

[outerlimits]

I think the most obvious lie here is that you two checked "yes" on the box next to the question: "Do you read, speak and understand english?"

You cant debate so you move to insults.

Are you sure your not a Delta Pilot.

 

[Continental]

You cant debate so you move to insults.

Are you sure your not a Delta Pilot.

No but he is most certainly a CAl pilot. You can tell because he will defend CAl/UAl to the end because his company says to. After all the BS they continue to put us through Company says help us out now. So he will. It's a typical lemming route. You keep reading the kool-aid Jeffy updates. Keep eating that free company pizza, Keep checking out that crap website keep-iah-strong, wear your blue keep iah strong bracelet. You probably paid for the first batch anyway.
Why because the company said so.

When the 777 base leaves houston in a year or so be sure to blame SWA because they are flying to mexico out of hobby.

After all the S that they have pulled I hope they get it handed to them. Jeffy said we don't compete with SWA a long time ago. So now he can eat crow. Jeffy said he didn't need labor on board. So now he can kiss my A!

I'm tired of him and of all you helping the company out time and time again. It's time to let them get what they deserve.

 

[texman]

I think the most obvious lie here is that you two checked "yes" on the box next to the question: "Do you read, speak and understand english?"

I do, but you are trying to spin it as if SWA is not going to pay anything. They will via the revenue they make by the increase of intl traffic. You are making sound as if the CITY is overall going to pay for the new intl terminal. Do you understand how a bond(s) works. It will not cost the CITY a dime. I bet the Bond has some type of long term interest involved, were the city would make additional money also. The city will have joint venture with the HOU just like they have with IAH.

I do see your frustrations, but why not complain about the domestic feed out of HOU? Can you answer this question?

Until you can prove that the city will pay for every dime and not make money off the deal, then yes it is a LIE.

Please try not to spin it as if SWA has no obligation financially to the construction of the new terminal.

I will take the high road on your insult towards me.

 

[waveflyer]

Continental, the only thing that sucks is they will give themselves a cushy golden parachute, while you'll see base transfers and downsizing - I wish they could get what they deserve without you getting far worse than you deserve.

 

[Flopgut]

No but he is most certainly a CAl pilot. You can tell because he will defend CAl/UAl to the end because his company says to. After all the BS they continue to put us through Company says help us out now. So he will. It's a typical lemming route. You keep reading the kool-aid Jeffy updates. Keep eating that free company pizza, Keep checking out that crap website keep-iah-strong, wear your blue keep iah strong bracelet. You probably paid for the first batch anyway.
Why because the company said so.

When the 777 base leaves houston in a year or so be sure to blame SWA because they are flying to mexico out of hobby.

After all the S that they have pulled I hope they get it handed to them. Jeffy said we don't compete with SWA a long time ago. So now he can eat crow. Jeffy said he didn't need labor on board. So now he can kiss my A!

I'm tired of him and of all you helping the company out time and time again. It's time to let them get what they deserve.

Hey my friend, you know what? I bet I've got less sick time than you, have filed more grievances, and written more resolutions than you have. In 16 years I've picked up a turn twice, never been junior manned, never done them a favor, have cancelled two flights for sticking to the contract. I don't know who you are, you might be a more reliable member than me, but I doubt it.

The real crisis at this airline are the guys who act hard, but aren't. May not be you? Sure as hell aint me, so we don't have a problem. I come to work to strike this s__thole and put it out of business. That's it.

I am proud of some of what we did do at one time. That's why I'm not in favor of SWA once again getting their way. One of the main reasons any legacy ends up with aweful mgt is that no quality leadership wants to manage against the ridiculous advantage SWA is usually given on issues like this. Ex: Biggest merger in history (so far), CAL and UAL approved almost instantly because they offered SWA some EWR gates. WTF?!