SWA wants to fly from HOU to MEX and SouthAmerica

[outerlimits]

Flop is UAL putting on writing as in a contract all the promises u make ?

 

[Flopgut]

Flog is that going to be immediate? You sound so wise, are you a check airman too?

Look, its a big issue. There is a lot of communication going on. UAL is getting set to launch the 787, which we wanted to inaugurate in Houston. If the city splits the international airport up to artificially lift up a discounter? Why should any airline want to continue to pour effort and money into a city that does that? Why take your best equipment there? It's hard enough to get a 380 into any airport. The 787 will work better on a coast. The negative effect on Houston will be immediate. On the other hand, if you guys come up to IAH, there will pbly be even more widebodies and inaugural flights out of IAH.

 

[waveflyer]

And yet, where is the 380?
LAX, JFK, and SFO

All markets that serve multiple international airports.
And in the case of SFO, Houston is a larger market.

And 787's- their entire existence isn't about filling large aircraft, but heading nonstop to smaller ones.

 

[humveedriver]

Your lack of understanding is phenomenal. OF COURSE it includes Lufthansas product! You would be welcome to go to Frankfurt, just as you are welcome to use IAH. NO ONE is trying to avoid competing with you. SWA is trying to wreck IAH so they can pick up the scraps. You guys just want a handout.

Please explain to me how Lufthansa is affected? The Lufthansa passenger flies from Frankfort to IAH and then from IAH to L. America on United. Too easy. They never even have to look outside their window and see a canyon blue airplane.

If the Star Alliance pulls out of IAH, American and One World will step in.

 

[Flopgut]

And yet, where is the 380?
LAX, JFK, and SFO

All markets that serve multiple international airports.
And in the case of SFO, Houston is a larger market.

And 787's- their entire existence isn't about filling large aircraft, but heading nonstop to smaller ones.

CLAIM: Other metropolitan areas have experienced significant air service growth with multiple international airports.

THE FACTS: Performance in other markets such as New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Washington demonstrates that fractured markets remain flat while combined markets grow. In fact, studies show that, since 2008, cities with split international gateways actually lost airline service while cities with unified international gateways increased available international seats by 5 percent.

 

[Flopgut]

Please explain to me how Lufthansa is affected?

Each of the 12 airlines at IAH has the need to compete equally for the Houston customer that comes from South America. You get the terminal at HOU, there will be fewer IAH customers. No need to send your best equipment somewhere that you aren't allowed to compete equally for the customer.

 

[humveedriver]

Each of the 12 airlines at IAH has the need to compete equally for the Houston customer that comes from South America. You get the terminal at HOU, there will be fewer IAH customers. No need to send your best equipment somewhere that you aren't allowed to compete equally for the customer.

Still not buying it. That passenger is essentially landlocked at Hobby. They are not forced to fly on SWA. They would choose the airline that provides the appropriate service for their needs. Believe it or not I actually buy tickets about twice a year. I buy the ticket that gets me where I need to go with the fewest moving pieces, closest to my destination and then price. In others words L. American passengers would fly on SWA to get to the United States. Not to go to Germany on an A380. Those passengers will fly to IAH. Everyone wins!

 

[SWA Bubba]

CLAIM: Other metropolitan areas have experienced significant air service growth with multiple international airports.

THE FACTS: Performance in other markets such as New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Washington demonstrates that fractured markets remain flat while combined markets grow. In fact, studies show that, since 2008, cities with split international gateways actually lost airline service while cities with unified international gateways increased available international seats by 5 percent.

Okay, this one you made up. Show us the studies that were NOT created by United. Make sure you can show that the air service was lost due to actually having more than one international gateway, instead of other economic factors (I suppose that the fact the country's been in a recession since 2008 with ridiculous oil prices has nothing to do with anything).

The rest of your "Claim" and "The Facts" above are not actual facts at all; they're United's talking points. I'm not saying that SWA's lawyers and lobbyists haven't emphasized their point of view, but some of the crap United is spouting borders on the ridiculous. If 20 or 25 near-international 737 flights per day out of Hobby will cripple United, Luftansa, and other international airlines (not to mention the city of Houston itself), then I'd say United's grip on its own existence (and its business model) are as tenuous as your grip on reality.

When SWA gets to fly its 20-25 international flights per day out of HOU, I suppose we'll all have to watch sadly as United pulls out of IAH, and enters a death spiral, taking the city with it.

Or not. Perhaps United can find a way to survive the onslaught, and sell seats on its airplanes even with having a little competition with our mighty 737s. <insert wildly sarcastic emoticon here, please>

Good luck.

Bubba

 

[waveflyer]

As the "freehobby" people here are saying- rationality is out the window- barely even a factor- so if you haven't signed the petition- do so-

 

[Flopgut]

Still not buying it. That passenger is essentially landlocked at Hobby. They are not forced to fly on SWA. They would choose the airline that provides the appropriate service for their needs. Believe it or not I actually buy tickets about twice a year. I buy the ticket that gets me where I need to go with the fewest moving pieces, closest to my destination and then price. In others words L. American passengers would fly on SWA to get to the United States. Not to go to Germany on an A380. Those passengers will fly to IAH. Everyone wins!

The customer will no longer go to IAH at all! It only works if all the customers are there; IAH is to international travel as Las Vegas is to gambling. It's not LA or NYC, or Hong Kong. If the city forfeits the cream off the top to SWA, there is no reason to keep building up IAH into something it will no longer be. You'll see the same thing. SWA will make big dollars out of HOU, for a while. Then the big planes will leave IAH and go where their customers end up.

Houston has to decide if they are in the sun tan oil, or crude oil business.

 

[Flopgut]

As the "freehobby" people here are saying- rationality is out the window- barely even a factor- so if you haven't signed the petition- do so-

Rationality? You mean like claiming you'll create 10,000 jobs and add 1.6 billion to the economy? You guys have been rational? Please.

*And SWA has lied about how it's to be funded as well! This isn't just UAL trying to get their way. People have started to wake up to SWA's way of doing business, and they are figuring out it's BS...

 

[humveedriver]

Houston has to decide if they are in the sun tan oil, or crude oil business.

Why not both? Houston is second only to NYC for fortune 500 companies HQ's. In fact it may be nice to get some of the ash and trash over to Hobby, so that the corporate platinum travelers don't have to have some hung over kid puking on them.

 

[waveflyer]

Rationality? You mean like claiming you'll create 10,000 jobs and add 1.6 billion to the economy? You guys have been rational? Please.

*And SWA has lied about how it's to be funded as well! This isn't just UAL trying to get their way. People have started to wake up to SWA's way of doing business, and they are figuring out it's BS...

And what are they figuring out about how United does business??
The talking points you claim as fact don't answer why united is trying to hold current jobs as hostages- its loud and clear- "let us keep our near monopoly or else"

We said it best a while ago- "I'm sure whatever numbers the HAS study came up with, United would take exception"

 

[Flopgut]

All we want is you at IAH. We'll roll out the red carpet for you.

 

[737tanker]

All we want is you at IAH. We'll roll out the red carpet for you.

Which would be great if all SWA wanted to do was fly passengers from Houston to international destinations. But what SWA wants to do is also fly connecting passengers to international destinations from Houston. So unless you can figure out a way for SWA to to get the connecting passengers from Hobby to IAH then SWA isn't going to IAH. Also if SWA isn't allowed to fly international into Hobby it is still going to fly international, it will just be from AUS or SAT.

 

[bluesideup1]

Duplicate

 

[waveflyer]

Looks like its been said- you want to weaken the competition by getting local government to ATTEMPT to force us up to IAH-
International is coming for swa- whether united likes it or not- you can't pay off every city- and from what I hear, AUS and SAT are biting at the opportunity to be the international jump off- those cities are smaller with less business- but they are far and away, better cities in better locations than Houston, and would love the boost to their local economy- Houston doesn't hold SWAs future in their hands- they can work with us, or against- their call-
Swa is not in the same corporate position as when wright went down-

 

[outerlimits]

All we want is.......

I think the last time United said that it was to the city of IND.

IND built UAL a monster maintance facility. Then UAL skipped town and left the city of IND holding the bag.

 

[PCL_128]

If SWA wins? City of Houston is screwed. The 787, A380, 744 and even 777s are going to leave IAH.

Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats, living together! Mass hysteria!

You really should ask your doctor if thorazine is right for you.

 

[outerlimits]

Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats, living together! Mass hysteria!

You really should ask your doctor if thorazine is right for you.

I have to give you credit, your getting pretty good

Not as good as Dicko, but pretty good.