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[DH2WN]

Technically, it's SIC time because you are not the one responsible for the aircraft. Even if you are typed, sitting in the left seat, and flying....but NOT designated by the company as PIC....the other guy is still in charge. However, Southwest's description is contradictory.

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In this situation, the two bold phrases are contradictory. Take your pick as to which one you want to follow, and be prepared to defend your decision either way. Then again, calling the HR department and asking them would probably be the better way to go. Good luck.

You quoted it but you didn't read it. It says, "FURTHER ALLOWS". Meaning you can log PIC if you are in the left seat and sole manipulator in ADDITION to the person responsible for the aircraft.

I logged 1/2 of my IOE hours as PIC because half of the time I was sole manipulator but not responsible for the aircraft. Interviewer asked about those columns and I explained it. He said, "Good, I don't know why everyone thinks it's so complicated." Closed the logbook and proceeded to hire me.

Forget the days of United, American and the rest who wanted a ridiculous breakdown of hours. It's simple if you just read the directions carefully. Especially when you get your interview package.

Good Luck...

 

[SWAdude]

SWAdude,

Confirm! Is the 300+ for 2005 in addition to those already in the pool or is the current pool included in the 300+ number?

Tweek

PS. paper app 8/02
B-737 type 8/03
e-app 1/04
PIC jet 2000
interview call nothing heard

At SWA one really isn't officially hired until you are in class. Although I have not personally heard of anyone being in the pool and not making it to class, it's probably has happened but very rarely. So to answer your question its not in addition to those that are in the pool. The actual pool number is always a difficult number to get an accurate count. Although since I have been here I have never heard of the pool being less than a hundred or so. I've been here eleven years. Chase is in close touch to those involved in the people department and might be able to get an accurate number.

How about it Mr. Chase??

 

[canyonblue737]

I heard they cancelled hiring for remainder of the year

Not true. Hiring and interviewing in the first 2 months of 2005 was based on assuming a need for 700+ new hires. It now appears SWA will "only" need 400+ new hires this year. Since they went too heavy in the first 2 months with hiring/interviewing you will see a stop to interviewing for some period of time (1-2 months) and a slowdown (not stop, heck a new class is starting in 3 days) in classes for a few months but it will pick up again once back on track for a steady 400+ over the course of the full year.

Of course anything can and will change with market conditions but some growth is going to happen no matter what since SWA nets a gain of 29 airplanes this year.

PS: As of March 9th I believe SWA will have hired only 136 pilots in 2005. There is A LOT to go I think.

 

[YellowLab]

Toa2MDT,


I'm a Netjets guy who is in the same boat as you. I am officially on the SIC bid sheet so I log all my left seat time as SIC time even though I'm typed and am flying left seat. Just interviewed in February and that is the way they wanted to see it in the logbook review. I hope this helps.

 

[DH2WN]

Toa2MDT,


I'm a Netjets guy who is in the same boat as you. I am officially on the SIC bid sheet so I log all my left seat time as SIC time even though I'm typed and am flying left seat. Just interviewed in February and that is the way they wanted to see it in the logbook review. I hope this helps.

That contradicts what they write in their instructions and what my interviewer said. So, go figure.

 

[YellowLab]

I don't know what to tell you, they told me if I'm not signing for the airplane that I can't log it as PIC. So maybe it depends on the interviewer but when I asked the PD that's what they told me to do so I logged it all as SIC time. I guess it depends if you want to roll the dice or not I personally am not a gambler. Sorry I couldn't answer your question but that's what I did.

Once again during my logbook review he specifically asked how I logged my Netjets time and if any of it was in my Turbine PIC total on my application.

 

[P3 Tweek]

Thanks Guys!

SWAdude & CanyonBlue737:
You guys answered my question well enough...Chase, please take a break on answering this one.
Tweek

 

[DH2WN]

I don't know what to tell you, they told me if I'm not signing for the airplane that I can't log it as PIC. So maybe it depends on the interviewer but when I asked the PD that's what they told me to do so I logged it all as SIC time. I guess it depends if you want to roll the dice or not I personally am not a gambler. Sorry I couldn't answer your question but that's what I did.

Once again during my logbook review he specifically asked how I logged my Netjets time and if any of it was in my Turbine PIC total on my application.

Well, I just followed the directions so as to have something to back it up with. I don't feel that is gambling at all. I easily was able to explain my logbook with regards to the directions and didn't shortchange myself of PIC turbine, or other, that may not have gotten me an interview in the first place. Sounds like it's a Net Jets thing vs. 121 time.

 

[FracCapt]

You quoted it but you didn't read it. It says, "FURTHER ALLOWS". Meaning you can log PIC if you are in the left seat and sole manipulator in ADDITION to the person responsible for the aircraft.

Yes, I did read it. As I said, it is contradictory. Then again, I guess if you take it literally - word for word - it's not. They DEFINE PIC as one thing, but allow PIC logging with different circumstances.

That contradicts what they write in their instructions and what my interviewer said. So, go figure.

Hence my comment about picking one way to follow and be able to defend it. That's what you did. Others may choose to go the with the Part 1 definition, as I did. For me, it makes little difference. I have 350 hours of SIC total, and only 100 of it in jets I was typed in. I flew from the left seat on my legs during those 100 hours. For me, it would make 50 hours difference, max. Not to mention the fact that that was years ago, and I'm not going to go back and change my logbook for something so trivial(in my case).

Congrats on getting hired. I'm headed off to get my type in a couple weeks. Hopefully that will put me over the top and get me the call.

 

[Chest Rockwell]

29 net airplanes for the year plus around 80-85 scheduled pilot retirements. Last number I heard was 383 total for 2005 (two weeks ago). This is always subject to change, of course. 10 pilots per airplane (I believe that it is actually 10.9) plus 80 or so for the pilot retirements and you are in the ballpark. Hiring at the

 

[DH2WN]

They DEFINE PIC as one thing, but allow PIC logging with different circumstances.

That is how I interpreted their directions.

Good Luck...

 

[toa2mdt]

frac capt, when are you going down?

btw thanks guys for all your insight. like many said, its how ever you want to look at it. swa's definitions are very clear but interviewers contradict. at options, i dont think we really sign for anything. it states in the company papers that i am sic and he is pic. but we dont a thing. we are equally responsible and equal decision mkers. if one doesnt like it, we dont do it. like they say no I in team. the only reason he is pic, the way i see it, is because he was hired before me.

thanks

 

[Vspeeds]

PIC & Competitive times required?

Curious as to what are the "competitive times" required to get hired on with SWA?
a) PIC Turbine Time?
b) Total Flt. Time?


Appreciate the info!

 

[Waitin' On LUV]

Not sure what "competitive" times are, but I'm also a poolie and am more than happy to give you my stats:


Total Time: 6,700
Turbine: 6,400
T. Jet: 3,100
T. Prop: 3,300
PIC Turbine: 4,400

 

[timetoquit]

I first applied in 2000 and was invited to interview without a type in 9/2001, but it was cancelled due to 9/11. SWA reimplemented the type requirement to interview shortly after, so I was never rescheduled. Then they dropped the type requirement to interview, so I got a type last summer, but still cannot seem to get a call!

 

[Waitin' On LUV]

Don't feel bad, I interviewed the 1st time in 2000, without a type and reapplied July of 01'. switched to electronic app in Feburary of 04, and got my type in Aug. 04'. Southwest called in 24 days after I updated with type and I interviewed in Oct.


Hang in there I know it's tough waiting.

 

[boeingdriver213]

I applied Nov.2002, Reapplied on the new form in January, interviewed last month. Hoping to hear some good news soon.

 

[SizzleChest]

Don't go to HPA

I know it is too late but I just got off the phone with a buddy who just did his type at HPA and he said not to go there but goto K&S or the place in DEN for the type. It was NOT worth the $1500 premium he paid for the SWA affiliation...... Whatever you do don't waste your time there at HPA... save the $1500 and buy yourself something you need.....

 

[DH2WN]

I know it is too late but I just got off the phone with a buddy who just did his type at HPA and he said not to go there but goto K&S or the place in DEN for the type. It was NOT worth the $1500 premium he paid for the SWA affiliation...... Whatever you do don't waste your time there at HPA... save the $1500 and buy yourself something you need.....

BULL CRAP!!! HPA was the best training I ever had. Wouldn't trade them for anything..

 

[Chest Rockwell]

SWA does not care where you get your type. Anyone who tells you different is ill-informed. Some do a better job than others, but all that really matters is getting the type from a reputable operation. I believe that K&S are doing a discounted type for current 737 FOs. If your only experience in the 737 is during your type class, you will be even with everyone else that has the type only. I see no difference between the guys/girls that got a type 4 years ago vs 8 weeks prior to class. Your mind will still go blank the first time you sit in the right seat during IOE.