SWA TV show

[SWA/FO]

They actually say that the TV show is good for us. I can't stand to watch it myself.

BBB.. Fed Ex and UPS are not the only compaines flying freight.... Maybe some guys in your "unit" should have pointed that out to you.

 

[Diesel-9]

To each his own is correct and why the arguement. Too much time on your hands? Nothing attractive to me about night flying. Friends I have at both cargo outfits call it a job and like nothing of the lifestyle. Nothing negative about freight to me. Just didn't ever appeal to me and I never applied to any of them.

 

[klhoard]

. . .<snip>. . Oh yeah, one last thing. Doesn't it suck when you get asked by every non-pilot, shortly after they find out you work for UPS, "So, do you want to eventually work for an airline?"
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It's never really bothered me with what "non-pilots" say . . ..
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I just tell them, "Nope, can't afford the pay cut". . . .
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[USNFDX]

Hey watch this........

:uzi: SWAF/O is just pissed cause he couldn't get into the military...now he lives with an inferiority complex.....

Couldn't get hired at Fedex.

So now he has this huge chip....

Any opportunity to bash Mil guys or Fedex ... He's in Hot

So sad!

I think SWA is a great place with some awesome guys. To each his own.
I like Fedex for the variety, hopefuly the job security, and the pay and benefits.

But back to the topic at hand. Airline on A&E. Fun to watch. Cures the want to ever fly passengers. Gate agents should get paid more than pilots!

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

You FedEx and UPS guys better watch out. Forget W2's, night flying, 10 hr months, and international stuff.

When SWA gets the pax to carry a FedEX package (except it will be called a SWAEX package) across the country you'll be hurt'n. We've already got them lining up at the gate to get on board before the plane even lands. Our customers are movitated! I think they would work out great as employees.

 

[chase]

Forgive me for posting on the Majors board for I am a lowly regional pilot. Most in my position would jump at the chance to work at any of your airlines (SWA, UPS, or FDX). I assume most pilots at these companies can tell all of us several great reasons they enjoy their job and a couple of things they wish could improve.
Let me clue all combatants of this thread in. If you work for SWA, UPS, or FDX there are several thousand pilots out there that would embrace the opportunity to even interview at your company. You all have great jobs.
When I read such absolute nonsense in some of these posts I wonder if you need acceptance from a bunch of goofy guys like myself to make yourselves feel better. If you do...here it is.
SWA would be an amazing place to work.
UPS would be an amazing place to work.
FDX would be an amazing place to work.
Do we all feel better now?? I hope so.
Have a great weekend and fly safe. No matter if you fly boxes or white trash (and everything in between).

Bobby Orr 4,

You sum it rather well...in an industry that is in great turmoil & with very few carriers who have pilots who wake up every morning not worrying about their future you've brought a sense of reality back to the basic facts you point out so clearly:

SWA is a great place to work
UPS is a great place to work
FEDEX is a great place to work
"Fill in the blank" is a great place to work.

Yes all have advantages & disadvantages....the advantages have been brought up by each supporters, the disadvantages have been highlighted by those who may or may not have flown in that type of environment but as they say in scheduling, "one person's trash, is another person's treasures"...each to their own & as BBB said, each person who is looking at any of the above companies need to do their homework.

What would be useful is to have each person list the positives & negatives of each of their current employer in an honest & objective format so folks like yourself can get an honest appraisal of what maybe in store for you & others who wish to enter this way of life.

I tell folks when one starts to look at companies to work for to do the following when thinking about a prospective employer:

1. Write down the things that are the most important for you when it comes to picking a company to work for, i.e. being home, job security, no commuting, less stress, max or simply more money, introvert or extrovert, pax or cargo (unsure then use the other items to decipher out), international flying or doesn't matter, flying one type of aircraft for a life time, less/more flying hours, ALPA, non-ALPA, non-union, etc.

2. Sort & put the most important ones out on the piece of paper...top 5 or 7

3. Look at the companies that most closely will allow you to achieve those goals & then go after it

4. Hang on to that piece of paper, frame it & whenever one starts to complain about the job look at the piece of paper & see whether you or the company have shuffled the priorities around.......some companies have changed their focus since 911 due to incredible change in the industry, others have not...that is why there is so much angst out there. For those who haven't & one isn't happy, then who is likely to change...the company that is doing well sticking to a formula or the person who has changed their priorities & is now unhappy because the company isn't changing to meet one's every changing priorities? Kind of obvious I think.

At the end of the day each person will drift to the company that most matches their interest, but don't rely on getting much perspective from folks who won't acknowledge there are pluses & minuses with their job & recognize there are the same in other companies out there. No slam against other posters is intended...some of the statements made by previous posters contain an element of truth, some contain generalities that aren't completely true either.

To you the reader Bobby it is hard to know the truth...I hope you sort it out & do your own homework, with or without the folks on this board/thread....good luck & I hope you find what will make you happy in life & in an aviation career.

 

[whymeworry?]

Hey watch this........

:uzi: SWAF/O is just pissed cause he couldn't get into the military...now he lives with an inferiority complex.....

Couldn't get hired at Fedex.

So now he has this huge chip....

Any opportunity to bash Mil guys or Fedex ... He's in Hot

So sad!

I think SWA is a great place with some awesome guys. To each his own.
I like Fedex for the variety, hopefuly the job security, and the pay and benefits.

But back to the topic at hand. Airline on A&E. Fun to watch. Cures the want to ever fly passengers. Gate agents should get paid more than pilots!

I know I may be playing with fire here but, doesn't it seem as though the military pilots think they are better aviators than civilians? Come on now, sure the guys who get fighter slots are top of their class but the guys who end up flying cargo and trash... aren't they the ones who couldn't make the top slots anyway? I trained BOTH military and civilian pilots at my former airline for years and saw absolutely no difference between the two. I chose not to pursue the military route out of advice from my military friends at the time who told me: "you may join to fly fighters but will most likely end up flying a transport, and will eventually be told to fly a desk." So I chose the civee route, out of advice from military pilots. Yet, now and again, I see military pilots discriminate if you're not from their clan. There is sort of an unwritten rule amoung them that they are better because the US government paid to train them. Believe me when I tell you, in general, there is no difference. I have trained some military pilots that left me wondering how they got through flight training in the first place. Of course, the same goes for civilian pilots as well.

I will readily acknowledge, however, that military pilots receive more substantive training with regard to aerodynamics, aerobatics, swept-wing characteristics and high-speed flight, some of which I rec'd as part of my check airman ciriculum. Regardless, even with that background, I was still left wondering how some of my former students got to where they were in aviation, even how some of them could find the cockpit.

RE: "Airline". One of my fav shows. It's amazing that some of the idiots on there allow their tyraids to be viewed by millions without consideration of fallout. Equally amazing is that SW sees this as good advertising. Half the time you watch it you feel for the families that are stranded without a way home because SW maintains the "right to overbook". Especially when they're traveling with babies and the gate agent just refunds their money and tells them to either sleep in the terminal or drive home on icy roads. Yeah! That's great advertising! If I was a pilot there I'd be insisting the show be removed from the air... but what do I know? Then again, what did these people expect when they shopped for the cheapest ticket. Sometimes ya get what ya pay for, eh?

BTW: My take on the gate agents who perform all these good deeds for passengers? Would they really go beyond the call if the cameras weren't roling? I doubt it.

 

[USNFDX]

At this stage in the game there is no difference between a mil guy and a civ guy. Great and not so great on both sides.
There are those who think they are god's gift because they came from the military, they are idiots, and make the rest of us mil guys look like @$$holes.
Then there are those civillian guys with the "Chip" (like SWAF/O) who dwell on nonsense!

 

[str8upflyrght]

Please no more MIL vs CIV!!! There are good military pilots and good civilian pilots. Unfortunately there are bad of both worlds also. The non fighter guys in the military are not necessarily guys who finished flight school w/ lower grades. Not everyone in the military wants to fly fighters (even after watching Top Gun). The better question is Naval VS Air Force :laugh:

As for the show, I enjoy watching it. It's hard to believe how ignorrant some people are. The show obviously helps the airline make money, someway or another. It's pretty funny how the company has a show that shows the good along with the bad.

 

[Mr Hat]

BigBeerBelly guy, My post was not anti-freight or anti-UPS....I don't "dog" any freight guys they have a great thing going. I do like SWA, I think they are the best thing going but that doesn't mean that I (or we) don't like UPS/Fedex.
I thought the W2 thing was silly because I'll bet you a Pan Am guy would have said the same thing to a freight dog back in the day...and guess who still has a W2 these days. You can't chase pay around the industry, todays big dog could be tomorrows lowest paid guys. Look at the company, how you want to be treated (though that can change too) and what type of flying you like to do......in the end NONE of us knows if we made the right decisions until we are 59 years and 364 days old.

 

[SWA/FO]

Hey United States Navy Federal Express Dude...... You don't even know me. You have determined through my posts that I have a chip on my shoulder.

I would guess: that you have never done the type of frieght job, that I had . You happen to have a top on the line freight job. I doubt you have seen anything that I have in my freight days.

You probably got out of the Navy and when directly to FedEx.....am I right? Just wondering...

 

[ivauir]

Forgive me for posting on the Majors board for I am a lowly regional pilot. Most in my position would jump at the chance to work at any of your airlines (SWA, UPS, or FDX). I assume most pilots at these companies can tell all of us several great reasons they enjoy their job and a couple of things they wish could improve.
Let me clue all combatants of this thread in. If you work for SWA, UPS, or FDX there are several thousand pilots out there that would embrace the opportunity to even interview at your company. You all have great jobs.
When I read such absolute nonsense in some of these posts I wonder if you need acceptance from a bunch of goofy guys like myself to make yourselves feel better. If you do...here it is.
SWA would be an amazing place to work.
UPS would be an amazing place to work.
FDX would be an amazing place to work.
Do we all feel better now?? I hope so.
Have a great weekend and fly safe. No matter if you fly boxes or white trash (and everything in between).

The only post worth reading on this thread.

 

[boost]

Couldn't agree more with the post above...but... I happened to get picked up by FedEx first and I don't think I could ever go back and fly people again. From my experience the pax guys don't know what they are missing and the guys that went straight to FedEx don't know how good that they have it.
Of course I did just spend the whole day deadheading home on a pax airline with some stupid kid kicking my seat for two hours straight and I have never fully recovered from discovering that my name is on the watch list and that it cannot be removed. Give me the "wrong" side of the airport anyday!

Lucky freight dog,
boost

 

[FNG_that's me]

You don't even know me. You have determined through my posts that I have a chip on my shoulder.

And so has everyone else. Chill out, you do appear to have a chip on your shoulder.

 

[SWAdude]

Forgive me for posting on the Majors board for I am a lowly regional pilot. Most in my position would jump at the chance to work at any of your airlines (SWA, UPS, or FDX). I assume most pilots at these companies can tell all of us several great reasons they enjoy their job and a couple of things they wish could improve.
Let me clue all combatants of this thread in. If you work for SWA, UPS, or FDX there are several thousand pilots out there that would embrace the opportunity to even interview at your company. You all have great jobs.
When I read such absolute nonsense in some of these posts I wonder if you need acceptance from a bunch of goofy guys like myself to make yourselves feel better. If you do...here it is.
SWA would be an amazing place to work.
UPS would be an amazing place to work.
FDX would be an amazing place to work.
Do we all feel better now?? I hope so.
Have a great weekend and fly safe. No matter if you fly boxes or white trash (and everything in between).

Well put. It is truly to each their own. I see the conflict here as when someone says they wouldn't want to fly freight, which should be understandable, the freight people come out on the defensive mode and come off as quite arrogant. Then before you know it its a civilian vs military thing.

I am sure that most all here would not be as brave to say the things they do on here if they had to face to face. Because they know they wouldn't have any teeth left.

 

[Hobiehawker]

Well put. It is truly to each their own. I see the conflict here as when someone says they wouldn't want to fly freight, which should be understandable, the freight people come out on the defensive mode and come off as quite arrogant. Then before you know it its a civilian vs military thing.

I am sure that most all here would not be as brave to say the things they do on here if they had to face to face. Because they know they wouldn't have any teeth left.

I agree completely.

I have noticed the same thing.

On a thread note, I find the show to put SWA in a good light. It amazes me how some people think it makes the airline look bad. I wish my company looked that good. We wouldn't even come in to a close second.

 

[atafan]

No wonder our industry is being torn apart. We are to busy picking fights among ourselves than to fight in unity.

We are all doomed.

 

[canyonblue]

And so has everyone else. Chill out, you do appear to have a chip on your shoulder.

He doesn't. Just because he is a fan of Southwest, it does not make him evil. Some people are rabid fans of USC, and they are not evil, just idiots. If having an incontrovertible fondness of Southwest give you a chip, then pass the dip.

 

[GuppyWN]

BBB,

Wake up. The best airline out there is the one that hired you/me/them at the time. If UPS was your only application then you were either an idiot, naive or didn't really want a high level flying job.

Which was it?

Gup

 

[HPaul3]

Good Lord. I go away for a few months and the first thing I return to is.....(drum roll........)

1) Freight vs. pax

2) Mil vs. civilian

3) SWA vs. everybody.

(Rim shot)

Somebody get me an ice pick so I can pluck out my eyes.

 

[Juvat]

Versus hauling people from the wrong side of middle class.

Man, I am so tired of this faggety-ass statement. It keeps showing up all over this forum. When you're in the cockpit with the door closed, nobody gives a hoot who is sitting back there. I could care less if they're all a bunch of derelict lepers (which, by the way, they are not at SWA)--their money is just as green as anybody else's. As long as you're filling planes up and doing it for less cost than a competitor, BUSINESS IS GOOD. That's all that matters.

 

[Juvat]

No wonder our industry is being torn apart. We are to busy picking fights among ourselves than to fight in unity.

We are all doomed.

No, I'd rather tear apart retarded pilots who say stupid things in public. Let's "unify" and give all of them a swift kick in the crotch bulbs.

 

[HoursHore]

Man, I am so tired of this faggety-ass statement. It keeps showing up all over this forum. .

Touched a nerve did I?

Cmon, Where's the vaunted SWA sense of Fun?

It was directed at all the carriers on the so called "right" side of the airport, (see post above mine) but if you see it as directed at your particular company for some mysterious reason of which I cannot fathom , I can't help that.

 

[USNFDX]

Hey United States Navy Federal Express Dude...... You don't even know me. You have determined through my posts that I have a chip on my shoulder.

I would guess: that you have never done the type of frieght job, that I had . You happen to have a top on the line freight job. I doubt you have seen anything that I have in my freight days.

You probably got out of the Navy and when directly to FedEx.....am I right? Just wondering...

No you're wrong buddy. I am incredibly fortunate to be where I am, but it wasn't always easy. I was "downsized" from the Navy back in the mid 90s. Flew cargo in beat up PA31 for a little while, before going back into the Navy. I have the utmost respect for what many civilian guys have to go through just to get flight time. That part 135 cargo stuff is scary!

Now as to your chip, take look in the mirror it's there. Just look at your flightinfo bio, it says "NOT Military". Go back and read your 800+ posts. Whenever someone has a choice on where to go, SWA vs whomever, mil vs civ, there you are lobing in the grenades.

You are very fortunate to be employed by a great company, so enjoy it!

 

[SWA/FO]

:beer: Hey... Lets re-read my posts all 800 of them...

My point was, I flew freight..its not like I am talking about something I don't know anything about. I happen to know its hard on "ones" body.

Its not like I'm trying to talk about something I never did before.

Well, I am "Not Military" - that sounds pretty straight forward to me. Why did you put "military" in your profile when you flew some civilian stuff? See we can go on and on it doesn't make a difference. Your proud of your military background and I'm proud of my civilian background. If you guys think I have a chip on my shoulder then fine... I don't really care.

I was not the one bring up w2s, A funds, B funds, 8 legs a day, 96 hour Maui layovers drinking beer. Not once did I pick on your "type" of freight in the back, but you guys sure like to poke fun at our customers. $hit I wans't even talking about FedEx or UPS. I was talking about flying freight in gereral.

 

[canyonblue]

Just look at your flightinfo bio, it says "NOT Military".

I'm not 100% positive but I do believe SWA/FO was a Lieutenant in the Salvation Army, does that count?

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Somebody get me an ice pick so I can pluck out my eyes.

Pass it to me when your done.

 

[SWPA Pilot]

So who should be paid more money, gate agents with a civilian background or with a military background?

 

[Big Beer Belly]

BBB,

Wake up. The best airline out there is the one that hired you/me/them at the time.
Gup

Your post did make me YAWN!! LOL! Anyway, I'm scratching my head trying to figure out what the he!! point you're trying to make. After giving it about a millisecond of deliberation (more than it deserved), I can only wonder why people switch flying jobs if the "the best airline out there is the one that hired you".

Piece of advice for the future ... put the bottle down before you post again.

BBB

 

[FNG_that's me]

He doesn't. Just because he is a fan of Southwest, it does not make him evil. Some people are rabid fans of USC, and they are not evil, just idiots. If having an incontrovertible fondness of Southwest give you a chip, then pass the dip.

Bro, I'm a fan of the southwest guys and gals too. But he does have a chip. Refer to the above post re. his other posts and profile.

Are you a Bruin's fan?