SWA TV show

[SWPA Pilot]

I just watched the SWA TV show for the first time. I came to three conclusions;

1. Gate agents aren't paid enough.

2. I'm all for pilots carrying guns as FFDO. It is probably a good idea that gate agents don't pack heat.

3. It makes cargo flying look like a great option.

 

[SWA/FO]

3. It makes cargo flying look like a great option.

Yep...its great looking like your in your 60's when you are actually in your 40's.

 

[futurepizzaguy]

Here's 3 more...

5. There's not much difference between Greyhound passengers and Southwest's

6. Descending below 18,000 feet at less than 220 knots outside Baltimore can actually back up traffic and annoy many folks

7. Trying to sound just a tad too happy and cool on the radio doesn't always cover up the fact you just flew 8 boring legs in one day

 

[Big Beer Belly]

Yep...its great looking like your in your 60's when you are actually in your 40's.

Let's see ... at UPS I'll work less than 50 days and block less than 150 hours this YEAR ... and I'll compare W-2's with you any day. If I feel so inclined I can change aircraft whenever I wish (Oops ... sorry), I can bid any number of International pairings (Oops ... sorry), or I can fly nothing but Honolulu and drink beer and chase bikinis on those 24-96 hour layovers (Oops ... sorry). Meanwhile, competition is bearing down on you from all sides, your fuel hedges are waning, your CEO says pay cuts in the future are a real possibility (greater productivity in the interim) ... well, I guess I'm just a little confused about your hostile attitude toward the cargo boys there fella? SWA appears (to an outsider at least) to have a few challenges ahead.

BBB

 

[HoursHore]

I can bid any number of International pairings (Oops ... sorry), or I can fly nothing but Honolulu and drink beer and chase bikinis on those 24-96 hour layovers
BBB

These type of layovers directly contribute to the advanced age of my liver, thats for sure.

 

[Mr Hat]

Let's see ... at UPS I'll work less than 50 days and block less than 150 hours this YEAR ... and I'll compare W-2's with you any day.

12 year CA UPS $190/hr
12 year CA SWA $190/hr
Profit sharing UPS None
Profit sharing SWA yes

Not saying UPS is a bad place to be but you can probably hold off on the W2 contest. Both are great places to work, they are entirely different kinds of flying....altogether... (insert line here)
It all depends on what you feel you would enjoy more.

 

[sf260pilot]

Wrong side of the clock+wrong side of the airport.

 

[HoursHore]

Wrong side of the clock+wrong side of the airport.

Versus hauling people from the wrong side of middle class.

 

[sf260pilot]

My statement came from one of your brethren at FedEX.

 

[SWA/FO]

:beer:
Lets see....... did I mention MONEY in the ABOVE POST? NO. I mentioned that flying freight is hard on your body.... SEE, I KNOW BECAUSE I USED TO FLY FREIGHT. So lets review...flying freight is hard on your body.

Is that the comeback: "I may look 20 years older then I am, but I make more money then you and I drink beer in Maui???" Nothing like being away from your family for 96 hours..

The money is good if you can wake up in time and get to the store while they are still open to spend some of it.

 

[SWA/FO]

Yeah, we even haul a bunch of Freight Dogs in the back of our planes.

Hey pizzaguy, you saying we are slowing up your diamond jet in BWI?

 

[HoursHore]

My statement came from one of your brethren at FedEX.

Oh I have no doubts about the veracity of your statement, nor do I have any about mine.

 

[FNG_that's me]

Hey everyone, QUIT CHASING YOUR TAILS and realize that some people prefer to do a different kind of flying than you do. Pretty much everything above is accurate, although MR. Hat didn't account for UPS having a pension to counteract SWA's profit sharing.

Some folks like lots of legs/day, others prefer one leg and a long layover. It might not be what you like, but life is about choices. Just because someone chooses something that you don't like doesn't make them wrong.

The 'wrong side' comments above were pretty funny, perhaps that can be the new focus of the thread...

 

[semperfido]

Versus hauling people from the wrong side of middle class.

that is funny :beer:

..coarse i are one :crying:

 

[Big Beer Belly]

12 year CA UPS $190/hr
12 year CA SWA $190/hr
Profit sharing UPS None
Profit sharing SWA yes

Not saying UPS is a bad place to be but you can probably hold off on the W2 contest. Both are great places to work, they are entirely different kinds of flying....altogether... (insert line here)
It all depends on what you feel you would enjoy more.

UPS has a 975 hour minimum annual guarantee ... what's SWA's? UPS has an 11% B plan ... how about SWA's? UPS has a 1% A plan ... how about SWA's? Oh forgot to mention it's been 8 years since our last contract was signed ... that might have something to do with this equation (let's compare again after our TA).

You see ... at SWA you have no choice ... reserve or line holders both fly their butts off. Not so at UPS and FedEx ... reserves are generally about 4 days of work per month. Even international line holders have cake schedules and awesome layovers compared to the average line slug at SWA. Would you rather have 24-96 hours off in Hong Kong, Singapore, Beijing, Cologne, Paris, London, Sydney, Vienna ... or 10-14 hours off in Cedar Rapids, Des Moines, or Oklahoma City?

My point is that you have a CHOICE at UPS and FedEx, and don't at SWA! To each his own, I suppose. Again I ask ... what's up with all the negative vibes toward us lowly freight boys?

BBB

 

[FN FAL]

I just watched the SWA TV show for the first time. I came to three conclusions;

1. Gate agents aren't paid enough.

2. I'm all for pilots carrying guns as FFDO. It is probably a good idea that gate agents don't pack heat.

3. It makes cargo flying look like a great option.

Hahahaha...I watched the one that was on today. What a bunch of jackasses. They show up after the plane is gone and wonder "wha happened?"

What about those two dumb broads they had to shag down in airport bar to tell them that their husbands got booked and left with the kids on a flight. Dumb!

I think Mencia would have a few choice words for some of these idiosos.

 

[psysicx]

Does UPS have day flying like Fedex. I don't see how that could affect your body any differently.

 

[Big Beer Belly]

So lets review...flying freight is hard on your body.

Is that the comeback: "I may look 20 years older then I am, but I make more money then you and I drink beer in Maui???" Nothing like being away from your family for 96 hours..

For the slower folks out there (SWA/FO) ... I'll connect the dots for him ... working a whopping 4 days per month I have found is very EASY on my body, not very hard. Do you see my point now SWA/FO? I didn't think it was that obscure.

I think I generally look my age. As far as being away from your family for 96 hours ... aren't you also away from your family for 96 hours on a 4 day SWA trip there fella? I know this is higher math and all. You make it sound like excruciating torture to be separated from your family for 4 days ... lol

I'll take baking my butt on Waikiki (and yes drinking beer, god forbid!) over freezing that same rear in Omaha in December!! Please make me re-think my ways ... LOL!!!

BBB

 

[psysicx]

BBB how long have you been at Brown?

 

[SWA/FO]

You sure are looking for a fight there BBB.....

Again, did I mention anything about what you are attacking me and my Company over? I just posted that freight flying is tough on your body...

I like freight dogs.....
I am a former freight dog. Did you read that, I am a former freight dog.. While you were flying missions in the miltary gaining your flight time, I was flying freight....

Flying freight got me to where I am today. Most of the freight guys I know had a lot thicker skin then you do. I think UPS and FedEx are great companies to work for...heck I ship all my $hit on both of 'em... Have I made fun of you or your company? NO....and you have only been an a$$ to me.

Why don't you stop being an a$$ kernal, you should get going the sun is down and its time to get to work. Go fly my overnight package...

 

[AlbieF15]

...my dad can kick your dad's @ss...

...And this post is moronic. Thanks to the SWA bros for the jumpseats. I like my job. Hope you dig yours. See you at the bar!

 

[Mugs]

Let's see ... at UPS I'll work less than 50 days and block less than 150 hours this YEAR ... and I'll compare W-2's with you any day. If I feel so inclined I can change aircraft whenever I wish (Oops ... sorry), I can bid any number of International pairings (Oops ... sorry), or I can fly nothing but Honolulu and drink beer and chase bikinis on those 24-96 hour layovers (Oops ... sorry). Meanwhile, competition is bearing down on you from all sides, your fuel hedges are waning, your CEO says pay cuts in the future are a real possibility (greater productivity in the interim) ... well, I guess I'm just a little confused about your hostile attitude toward the cargo boys there fella? SWA appears (to an outsider at least) to have a few challenges ahead.

BBB

Sounds good. It also sounds like you are wide open to getting your chops busted like the rest of have someday. It might not be a bad idea to simply assume and plan that your good deal will eventually fall apart.

 

[The Prussian]

I agree with Mugs...if there's a large pecentage of folks out there enjoying a fairly free ride....well....enjoy it while it lasts!!

 

[FlyinHigh737]

Futurepizzaguy
Here's 3 more...

5. There's not much difference between Greyhound passengers and Southwest's

6. Descending below 18,000 feet at less than 220 knots outside Baltimore can actually back up traffic and annoy many folks

7. Trying to sound just a tad too happy and cool on the radio doesn't always cover up the fact you just flew 8 boring legs in one day

Big Beer Belly

Let's see ... at UPS I'll work less than 50 days and block less than 150 hours this YEAR ... and I'll compare W-2's with you any day. If I feel so inclined I can change aircraft whenever I wish (Oops ... sorry), I can bid any number of International pairings (Oops ... sorry), or I can fly nothing but Honolulu and drink beer and chase bikinis on those 24-96 hour layovers (Oops ... sorry). Meanwhile, competition is bearing down on you from all sides, your fuel hedges are waning, your CEO says pay cuts in the future are a real possibility (greater productivity in the interim) ... well, I guess I'm just a little confused about your hostile attitude toward the cargo boys there fella? SWA appears (to an outsider at least) to have a few challenges ahead.

BBB


These two comments are sallow to say the least, not everyone fits in a round peg. Take a thread and go negative, ya’ll (Futurepizzaguy, Big Beer Belly) must work for the NY Times. BBB, I can see what’s important to you…. Mine is bigger than yours… Grow up!!

 

[SWAdude]

UPS has a 975 hour minimum annual guarantee ... what's SWA's? UPS has an 11% B plan ... how about SWA's? UPS has a 1% A plan ... how about SWA's? Oh forgot to mention it's been 8 years since our last contract was signed ... that might have something to do with this equation (let's compare again after our TA).

You see ... at SWA you have no choice ... reserve or line holders both fly their butts off. Not so at UPS and FedEx ... reserves are generally about 4 days of work per month. Even international line holders have cake schedules and awesome layovers compared to the average line slug at SWA. Would you rather have 24-96 hours off in Hong Kong, Singapore, Beijing, Cologne, Paris, London, Sydney, Vienna ... or 10-14 hours off in Cedar Rapids, Des Moines, or Oklahoma City?



BBB

I remember some UAL, AA, DAL pilots bragging like this at one time.

And they seemed to think they were untouchable.

None of us are immune to the savages of the airline industry. I repeat, none of us.

 

[SWPA Pilot]

What about those two dumb broads they had to shag down in airport bar to tell them that their husbands got booked and left with the kids on a flight.

I think if I was married to that crazy lady, I would have been on a plane going anywhere that was away from her.

Yep...its great looking like your in your 60's when you are actually in your 40's.

Looking 60 isn't so bad, you look the same age as the legacy F/A's so it helps if you are trying to pick them up.

 

[Big Beer Belly]

I remember some UAL, AA, DAL pilots bragging like this at one time.

And they seemed to think they were untouchable.

None of us are immune to the savages of the airline industry. I repeat, none of us.

A lot of you SWA guys have a real inferiority complex ... probably due to years of ribbing by the legacy guys for lowering the wage bar I assume. Interesting how it's OK for some SWA guys to dog the lowly freight guys ... and then, god forbid, one of them speaks up to correct the whacked stereotypes that are apparently out there ... and share what schedule 30-40% of UPS pilots live and that's somehow being arrogant ... lol. This thread started with an attack on the UPS/FedEx lifestyle and the death march we apparently undergo each day and how we age so much faster than the god-like passenger pilots (lol) ... When I explain that not all UPS pilots fit SWA/FO's stereotypical view of the freight life, now I'm bragging ... oh for christ's sake ...

To the young guys out there ... do your homework on the pilot biz yourself, and don't listen to know-it-all blowhards who profess to have a clue about all pilot jobs out there. With all that is going on in the industry right now, it's no wonder many are so insecure (SWA/FO).

BBB

 

[Big Beer Belly]

Take a thread and go negative, ya’ll (Futurepizzaguy, Big Beer Belly) must work for the NY Times. BBB, I can see what’s important to you…. Mine is bigger than yours… Grow up!![/SIZE][/FONT]

Oh lord ... another SWA guy with selective memory. It's really not that hard FlyinHigh737 ... simply scroll your mouse to the top and you'll see post #2 (by SWA/FO) ... that would be the one immediately following the original post ... is where the thread "went negative". Do all you SWA guys lack basic situational awareness, or am I just blessed with the unfortunate few posting here?

You SWA guys do love those homosexual references to size, don't you? Must be about as much fun as stripping and looking at each other in the cockpit ... whatever happened to those elite SWA male pilots with such a unique sense of humor to get naked and stare at each other while flying? Gawd ... that sounds like fun ... NOT!! lol

BBB

 

[Bobby Orr 4]

Am I the only one??

Forgive me for posting on the Majors board for I am a lowly regional pilot. Most in my position would jump at the chance to work at any of your airlines (SWA, UPS, or FDX). I assume most pilots at these companies can tell all of us several great reasons they enjoy their job and a couple of things they wish could improve.
Let me clue all combatants of this thread in. If you work for SWA, UPS, or FDX there are several thousand pilots out there that would embrace the opportunity to even interview at your company. You all have great jobs.
When I read such absolute nonsense in some of these posts I wonder if you need acceptance from a bunch of goofy guys like myself to make yourselves feel better. If you do...here it is.
SWA would be an amazing place to work.
UPS would be an amazing place to work.
FDX would be an amazing place to work.
Do we all feel better now?? I hope so.
Have a great weekend and fly safe. No matter if you fly boxes or white trash (and everything in between).

 

[radarlove]

UPS has a 975 hour minimum annual guarantee ...

Dude, it sounds like you're trying to convince yourself. Not gonna work for the rest of us. Flying night freight sucks. Flying across the pond, after the first year, sucks.

Sitting out a sort, sucks. Working for managament that hates (hates!) you sucks. Looking like you're 65 when you're 45 sucks.

Upgrade at UPS sucks. How many years to make CA?

Face it, you have an ok job. Nothing I'd write home about.

Oh yeah, one last thing. Doesn't it suck when you get asked by every non-pilot, shortly after they find out you work for UPS, "So, do you want to eventually work for an airline?"

I know it happens, don't deny it.

You sound like someone who's pretty full of himself. Offering to compare W-2s on a message board is pretty pompous. Plus, you might be very surprised at who is making more than you.

But I do admit, that television show isn't doing you Southwest guys any favors. Why in the world do you keep renewing it?