SWA to lower mins?

[elcid]

I'm currently flying a trip with a Captain who does interviews. He says he would guess that about 1/3 of the pilots he interviews don't have the type. Said he doesn't know how many of those actually get hired. However, I've always been told that once you get to the interview they consider you a qualified applicant... period. The job is yours to gain or lose. It's all what the interviewers and reference checkers think of you after that.

 

[Muddauber]

Requirement has always been 1,000.

Wrong.

We require a minimum of 1,300 hours in Turbine aircraft as the Pilot in command of fixed wing aircraft.


Muddy

 

[TV9Driver]

I got my type about 3 years ago, i've got over 1,300 pic turbine, nocheckride busts or failures, lots of friends/recommendations at SWA, and I still can't get an interview. There is obviously something they don't like about me...I just can't figure it out...

 

[RedDogC130]

I got my type about 3 years ago, i've got over 1,300 pic turbine, nocheckride busts or failures, lots of friends/recommendations at SWA, and I still can't get an interview. There is obviously something they don't like about me...I just can't figure it out...

Do you have a 4 year degree? Your profile says space shuttle driver.....wow, no call yet...amazing.

 

[pilotyip]

Lack of 4 yr degree is not a show stopper at SWA. Nearly 7% of the pilots hired last year did not have a 4 yr degree.

 

[RedDogC130]

No a show stopper but it sure does help. 7% 7 out of 100, not good odds.

 

[TV9Driver]

Yep, i've got the 4 year degree.

One of my buddies that works there talked to someone in the hiring department and he said the only thing they could think of was my PIC time wasn't recent enough or I wasn't updating enough. My PIC isonly 3 years old, but I guess that must be it.

Maybe being furloughed from a major is a mark against you? I don't know.. I still can't figure it out.

 

[PCL_128]

No a show stopper but it sure does help. 7% 7 out of 100, not good odds.

Seven percent is pretty good when less than 7% of the guys applying don't have a four-year degree.

 

[jtmpilot]

TV9Driver, check your app. closely, make sure you update everything... residence history to be up to present month and etc. and at the bottom update the date electronically signed, sounds foolish but there is alot of things to update not just hours, i had a few friends miss the simple things, also in the aircraft flown section update the dates there too.... might show your app. not current if there is a date discrepancie

 

[Gofish]

1300 is what I head from another source. I also heard that it might drop again. I have a ways to go but it sure would be nice to work for a company that doesn't have that "legacy" menality.

 

[pilotyip]

The reason most pilots being hired have degrees is because most pilots applying have degrees. Like PLC refered to, if 98% of the pilots applying have degrees, and if 93% of the pilots being hired have a degree, you would have a better chance of being hired at SWA without a degree.

 

[Bill Nelson]

if 98% of the pilots applying have degrees, and if 93% of the pilots being hired have a degree, you would have a better chance of being hired at SWA without a degree.

You are not what I would call a smart man:cartman: You probably should stick to talking about things you can comprehend.

 

[RedDogC130]

I did not understand it either.

 

[152SIC]

I understood pilotyip.

Interesting point, maybe your odds are better without the degree!

 

[PCL_128]

I understood pilotyip.

Interesting point, maybe your odds are better without the degree!

I wouldn't say that your odds are better. I think it's just a statistical anomaly. However, I would bet that your chances are just as good as a degreed applicant.

 

[Bill Nelson]

The odds of getting hired are not better if you don't have a degree.

Your percentage of guys without a degree getting hired compared to those not getting hired without a degree is higher, but still only represents 7%.

The odds of getting hired are in your favor if you can put yourself in the 93% group. ie:get a degree.

 

[pilotyip]

splain it

let me splain it again if 2% of the pilots applying, get 7% of the jobs, as opposed to 98% of pilots getting 93% of the jobs. the 7/2 ratio is better than the 93/98 ratio. It is simple math, no college dergee required to figure it out.

 

[JECKEL]

I applied to Southwest and never updated. One year later I still got called for an interview. Maybe I was just lucky.

 

[Visceral]

let me splain it again if 2% of the pilots applying, get 7% of the jobs, as opposed to 98% of pilots getting 93% of the jobs. the 7/2 ratio is better than the 93/98 ratio. It is simple math, no college dergee required to figure it out.

Correlation does not imply causation
You don't have a degree, but your Uncle Cletus is the Chief pilot of the airline and you are offered a job. Was it the lack of a degree that got you the job, or your Uncle's connections? Not having a degree might look good with a ratio, but there are other factors that come into play.

 

[satpak77]

let me splain it again if 2% of the pilots applying, get 7% of the jobs, as opposed to 98% of pilots getting 93% of the jobs. the 7/2 ratio is better than the 93/98 ratio. It is simple math, no college dergee required to figure it out.

Pilotyip, you are making this harder than it is. Did you work at Enron? Enron made profits out of funny numbers and accounting magic.

You said earlier that nearly 7% of the pilots HIRED did not have degrees. That means 93% of the successful hires did indeed have them.

Lets see, what pile do I want to be in? The "Has Degree" or "No Degree" stack? Absent other factors, what pile is statistically more likely to get you hired?

Long Live Enron

 

[pilotyip]

If the non degred hiring ratio to appplicant is 368% higher ((7/2)/(93/98))than degreed ratio, I would want to be in the non-degreed pipe. Remember it has nothing to do with flying an airplane, and the non-degreed pilots have an advantage over the degreed piltos becasue they have been flying airplanes instead of sitting in the classroom.

 

[bravodude]

If the non degred hiring ratio to appplicant is 368% higher ((7/2)/(93/98))than degreed ratio, I would want to be in the non-degreed pipe. Remember it has nothing to do with flying an airplane, and the non-degreed pilots have an advantage over the degreed piltos becasue they have been flying airplanes instead of sitting in the classroom.

I agree. I was one of those non-degree pilots that is in the pool at WN.

 

[RedDogC130]

If the non degred hiring ratio to appplicant is 368% higher ((7/2)/(93/98))than degreed ratio, I would want to be in the non-degreed pipe. Remember it has nothing to do with flying an airplane, and the non-degreed pilots have an advantage over the degreed piltos becasue they have been flying airplanes instead of sitting in the classroom.

That makes zero sense.....you have to be kidding me. What the heck is 368% Those without degrees have been flying instead of in the classroom....you have to be kidding. What the heck is a degreed piltos?
Please don't ever fly the plane I am on.

 

[Skyboy722]

That makes zero sense.....you have to be kidding me. What the heck is 368% Those without degrees have been flying instead of in the classroom....you have to be kidding. What the heck is a degreed piltos?
Please don't ever fly the plane I am on.

Red, You may be a little harsh here. I do understand what pilotyip is saying, and he's actually right. But, I don't think he's suggesting that people stop getting degrees just to fit into this little anomaly...

 

[RedDogC130]

That is fair to say. I guess I don't see his/her point that a person without a degree has a better chance.....I am done with this thread so no more rambling from me...carry on, sorry if it came across harsh. You should have seen the PM pilotyip sent me....that was harsh. Kids.

 

[pilotyip]

Especially if you flew for a land based operation. Only kidding

 

[satpak77]

If the non degred hiring ratio to appplicant is 368% higher ((7/2)/(93/98))than degreed ratio, I would want to be in the non-degreed pipe. Remember it has nothing to do with flying an airplane, and the non-degreed pilots have an advantage over the degreed piltos becasue they have been flying airplanes instead of sitting in the classroom.

so which is it? It has nothing to do with flying an airplane or it does?

????

 

[pilotyip]

It is the 4 yr degree that has nothing to do with flying an airplane. Flying an airplane and training to fly an airplane have something to do with flying an airplane.

 

[satpak77]

It is the 4 yr degree that has nothing to do with flying an airplane. Flying an airplane and training to fly an airplane have something to do with flying an airplane.

a 4 yr degree has nothing to do with driving a truck either. Driving a truck and training to drive a truck have something to do with driving a truck.

To take another view, a 4 year degree with "truck driving" as the theme, such as TSTI/Ohio State/Air Force Academy/CTC Killeen/etc, in which truck driving and the truck driving industry is studied, and during your 4 year course work, you are exposed to truck driving, does that degree fall into the "having a degree has nothing to do with driving a truck?"

Hmm

If the best paid truck driving jobs require a degree or at least the majority of the drivers hired do indeed have degrees, then getting a degree = increases your chances of getting that job.

For, in the end, thats all this is, a truck driving job.

 

[pilotyip]

Thats right and pretty soon a Peterbuilt CL6 type licence will be a requirement to work in the on-demand industry.