SWA to lower mins?

[lemtjones]

Anyone from SWA heard about the Turbine PIC requirement being reduced to 1000 again?

 

[jonjuan]

Requirement has always been 1,000.

 

[Puck Mugger]

Requirement has always been 1,000.

Actually, it is 1300 right now. It has been for sometime.

 

[Falcon Jet 1]

It was raised because of EEOC.

 

[satpak77]

Actually, it is 1300 right now. It has been for sometime.

I believe the published minimum to qualify is 1000, 1300 is the minimum to be called for the interview currently.

As in, "when you reach 1000 PIC, we welcome you to apply"

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

Actually the mins to even apply were raised to 1300 turbine PIC in FEB 06. This is the first I have heard of them being lowered back down to 1000.

 

[Rogue5]

http://www.southwest.com/careers/pilots.html

Southwest Airlines New Pilot Requirements

Certificates / Ratings:
U.S. FAA Airline Transport Pilot Certificate. Unrestricted U.S. Type Rating on a B-737 not required for interview but required for employment.

Age:
Must be at least twenty-three years of age.

Flight Experience:
2,500 hours total or 1,500 hours TURBINE total. Additionally, a minimum of 1,300 hours in Turbine aircraft as the Pilot in command, as defined below is required. Southwest considers only Pilot time in fixed wing aircraft. This specifically excludes simulator, helicopter, WSO, RIO, FE, NAV, EWO etc. NO other time is counted.

Currency:
A minimum of 200 hours must be logged in the preceding 36 months.

Medical:
Must possess a current FAA Class 1 Medical Certificate. Must pass FAA mandated Drug Test.

Authorization to work in the United States:
Must have established authorization to work in the United States.

Driver's License:
Must possess a valid United States Driver's License.

Education:
Graduation from accredited, four-year college preferred.

Letters of Recommendation:
At least three letters from any individuals who can attest to the pilot’s flying skills, by having observed them over a sustained period of time.

 

[chperplt]

It was raised because of EEOC.

According to a friend who works in HR at SW, this is correct. The average of all people called for interviews was 1300, so by law the had to raise it or face a possible lawsuit.

Don't look for it to go back down....

 

[svcta]

1300 turbine PIC and an extra 6 grand to purchase the job....er...type rating. Still a deal breaker for me. But there appears to be no shortage of willing participants, so the joke's on me, isn't it?

 

[LARRY H. JUNIOR]

who did you hear that from????????
swa hr??????

 

[Flydaplane]

How is that against the law? I talked to one of the recruiters, she said that they raised it because that was the average people had that they were interviewing. She did say that she expected it to come back down but did not have any time frame. Probably depends on how deep their stack of apps is.

 

[wannaBrich]

she said that they raised it because that was the average people had that they were interviewing.

I'm guessing that 1300 wasn't the average, it was the lowest. Since they hadn't interviewed anyone with less than 1300, they shouldn't bother teasing those with less with false hopes. A friend of mine timed getting his type rating with his 1300th hour and got an interview at 1307 hrs, and was hired. He's starting class in the next couple weeks.

He could passed on the type rating and built up more PIC turbine over the next 6-12 months and hoped for an interview without it, but he rolled the dice and won.

You can't win if you don't play.

 

[GuppyWN]

1300 turbine PIC and an extra 6 grand to purchase the job....er...type rating. Still a deal breaker for me. But there appears to be no shortage of willing participants, so the joke's on me, isn't it?

Yep. I put 7k in a type rating. Over the past 6 years it has paid me back about 85 times that.

Gup

 

[V1Cutt]

Best investment I ever made and ever will make.

 

[instructordude]

Does sole manipulator of the controls count for the PIC time?

 

[SWA/FO]

1300 turbine PIC and an extra 6 grand to purchase the job....er...type rating. Still a deal breaker for me. But there appears to be no shortage of willing participants, so the joke's on me, isn't it?

yeah it is...

 

[Alcatraz]

Does sole manipulator of the controls count for the PIC time?

No. While logging "sole manipulator PIC" may be legal under FAR 61, SWA specifically states on their website that "PIC" for the SWA application is only that time when PIC defined by FAR 1 (Definitions).

In other words, you have to actually be the PIC ("Captain" in most civilian turbine situations) to count towards the SWA minimums (and for total PIC on the app). And yes, they do look at this in your logbook during the interview!

 

[instructordude]

In other words, you have to actually be the PIC ("Captain" in most civilian turbine situations) to count towards the SWA minimums (and for total PIC on the app). And yes, they do look at this in your logbook during the interview!

Thanks!! I'm a long long ways away.

 

[pilotyip]

A sign of the growing world wide pilot shortage and hiring boom of 2007

 

[cherry20's]

I heard they were from a good source. 400 hrs to go!!

 

[Tejas-Jet]

1300 turbine PIC and an extra 6 grand to purchase the job....er...type rating.

Not everyone at SWA actually paid for a type rating. I didn't. My legacy airline gave it to me....maybe thats why they filed for BK....

 

[BigShotXJTdrvr]

I have about 1500 PIC in the E145, but have not put an app in yet. Anyone know if that counts strongly against you, or have people been hired when applying with a lot more than the mins?

 

[RedDogC130]

I have about 1500 PIC in the E145, but have not put an app in yet. Anyone know if that counts strongly against you, or have people been hired when applying with a lot more than the mins?

What are you waiting for?

 

[swa737-700]

Not everyone at SWA actually paid for a type rating. I didn't. My legacy airline gave it to me....maybe thats why they filed for BK....

The great state of Missouri paid for mine!!

 

[Benhuntn]

Va paid for mine. The best investment they made for my benefit. The masters they paid for really didn't do much for me.

 

[FR8dognit]

I heard that too...didn't say when though. I would count on it being 1300...then if it changes before you get it...you just got a gift!! :beer:

BTW---IMHO-It was a good investment for Old Uncle Sam too. He will now reap the rewards of your higher wages and his cut will be bigger than if you were at some other lower paying place!! So everybody wins.imp: Except for the guy who didn't gamble the $7380.00 on a type.
It is a gamble...but have you ever heard of pot odds? $7380.00 vs. a chance at a career with SWA. Sounds like pretty good pot odds to me!

 

[ERJpusher]

1300 hours isn't the average-- it is just the minimum number of hours that is considered competitive.

 

[iaflyer]

Does sole manipulator of the controls count for the PIC time?

from the Southwest website:

Southwest Airlines defines "Pilot in Command" for the purposes of application for employment as the Pilot ultimately responsible for the operation and safety of the aircraft during flight. The Pilot in Command should also be the Pilot who signed for the aircraft and who is the ultimate authority for the operation of that flight. For military personnel, Southwest Airlines will allow flight time logged as "Pilot In Command" (PIC) only if you are the Captain/Aircraft Commander, Evaluator, or Instructor Pilot. Primary time will only be considered PIC on a specific aircraft after an individual upgrades to Aircraft Commander in the appropriate aircraft. Time logged, as "Other Time" will not be considered. When converting taxi time a conversion factor of .3 or eighteen minutes, per leg/sortie should be used. These guidelines are imposed by Southwest Airlines for the purpose of standardizing the calculation of flight time.

 

[fugghedabowdit]

I have about 1500 PIC in the E145, but have not put an app in yet. Anyone know if that counts strongly against you, or have people been hired when applying with a lot more than the mins?

I initially applied with about 2000 jet PIC, I'm in class right now. Get it in. Good luck.

 

[capt. megadeth]

1300 turbine PIC and an extra 6 grand to purchase the job....er...type rating. Still a deal breaker for me. But there appears to be no shortage of willing participants, so the joke's on me, isn't it?

I have 2 friends that just got hired without the type. Obviously, they need to go get it but IMHO it pays for itself.