SWA TA Vote

[shootr]

Vote opens today, 1200 central. If you haven't read the TA, please do so before you vote. If you have read it, go ahead and vote!! No, may be a good choice...we can do better. Let's fix the work rules back and get something more with the codeshare protection.

It's OK to vote No!
shootr

Oh, can some of you senior guys take your $130,000 payout and run? That'd be great!

 

[gobyebye]

From what I've seen, a good number of these "no" chest thumpers haven't taken the time to understand the details of the TA and are just going on rumors and false interpretations. I'm still undecided, but I'm not impressed with the people trying to get me to vote no.

 

[jimmykjet]

If you are still undecided...

Outsourcing is subcontracting a process, such as product design or manufacturing, to a third-party company.[1] The decision to outsource is often made in the interest of lowering cost or making better use of time and energy costs, redirecting or conserving energy directed at the competencies of a particular business, or to make more efficient use of land, labor, capital, (information) technology and resources[citation needed]. Outsourcing became part of the business lexicon during the 1980s. It is essentially a division of labour.

 

[shootr]

Go!

Are you undecided because you aren't aware of what's in the TA? Are you aware but just don't understand it enough to make a choice? Do you understand the scheduling changes and how they will affect you, your QOL, and your monthly income? Pay rate is not a final determining factor in your take-home pay.

I, along with many "No" voter have a very detailed understanding of this TA. It's the reason I'm a "No" voter. I will not personally try to help your understanding of these complicated matters but here are some places to start your research...

voteyourfuture.org
www.fixthecontract.com
http://www.swapa.org/TA/tabid/2249/Default.aspx

You have some reading to do! You only have a month so you better get to it!

Fraternally,
shootr

 

[SWA/FO]

From what I've seen, a good number of these "no" chest thumpers haven't taken the time to understand the details of the TA and are just going on rumors and false interpretations. I'm still undecided, but I'm not impressed with the people trying to get me to vote no

.

Funny - most people voting YES for it, haven't read any of it. Some drink the koolaid and some don't.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Most yes voters will never read it....

Most refuse to recognize that the reason things are so good here is because of successful negotiations. Not because Herb was generous! What you are enjoying today was negotiated in the past. If you are an uneducated voter, you are trusting in people who want to errode your benefits.

If this passes, it will take you (F/O) 3 years to get back to where you are today.
09 - shrinkage
10 - stagnation
11 - Lances finally might get their 4th stripe back

Vote how you choose, make sure you know what you are voting for.

 

[Bookingsareup]

My guess is that it will pass. No surprises.

 

[Dude]

I think that many will be surprised with the results. I have already voted.

No, thanks.

 

[redflyer65]

I feel like we've been completely steamrolled by this TA. The co. got probably 98% of everything they wanted.

The biggest thing that bothers me is this....

The way the company decided to treat the Lance Captains. How does that fit into the legacy of SWA taking care of their employees? I see it as a massive slap in the face and a completely different direction that we've never been in.

It's one thing if you want to get rid of the program, and I can understand that, but to just cut their legs off is more like something UAL would do...

Just reading the TA sells itself and I'm glad there has been such a huge outpouring of articles submited to RP that say as much.

RF

 

[Grandpa +65]

NO Outsourcing
NO Subcontracting
NO Third- party company
NO Cheap labor

Just Vote NO!

 

[Full of LUV]

Flyinguy....

Most yes voters will never read it....

Most refuse to recognize that the reason things are so good here is because of successful negotiations. Not because Herb was generous! What you are enjoying today was negotiated in the past. If you are an uneducated voter, you are trusting in people who want to errode your benefits.

Flyin,
Difference is this time we set the bar for 737 operations. SWA has always negotiated from a drastically underpaid position as compared to the other major operators, and stock options and profit sharing were more important.
Now, post BK majors are under our NG payrates, so we are the ones that have to eek out raises.

 

[PropPiedmont]

In this economy, I just don't feel that a TFP raise is appropriate. I would feel terrible accepting a raise right now.

Therefore, I have voted No.

Now, on the other hand, $130,000 is good money. I suggest all the 12 year plus guys cash in. Take it and run. Just vote No before you go.

 

[Capn Butthead]

Just voted no..........

I was hoping I could vote yes but I cant go for all of the codeshare.....plus no RJs over 86 seats???????? 95% of RJs have 86 seats or less!

Sad day.....but it will lead to better.

 

[Herkdrv]

No for me as well. Luv this company but we are giving way too much in this contract. Its OK to vote no!

 

[Whine Lover]

The more things change....The more they remain the same.

This thread could have been written 5, 10, 20, 30 years ago. ( Well, if they had the Internet back then. )

The topics, dilemmas, questions, answers, and unfortunately the OUTCOMES, never seem to change to any great degree.

Good Luck with your foregone conclusion....52-56% will decide ( knowledgeable or not ) that this is "The best that we can do. "

If only we could achieve Free Agent status....yeah, I know...I'm smokon' de Cheba Mon.


YKMKWE

 

[GuppyWN]

MDW rep just changed his position to that of VOTE NO for the TA.

Gobyebye. PM me if you want non-emotional information about how bad this TA is for your future.

Or feel free to visit voteyourfuture.org and look at the "sections explained" tab on the left column.

Gup

 

[Empennage]

One of the MDW Reps just changed his opinion to a NO VOTE. Check your email.

The more time we all have to review this thing, the more we realize it is not a good thing.

 

[Flyarcticcat]

Just voted NO to save our QOL. Luv the company but we can do alot better.

 

[StopNTSing]

Just voted no this afternoon. Felt so good I might just do it again for kicks! :nuts:

 

[gutshotdraw]

Just voted no this afternoon. Felt so good I might just do it again for kicks! :nuts:

You know what Democrats in Chicago say: Vote early and often!