SWA searching for more deals, SWAPA salivating----article

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Southwest Searches for Deals After Loss of Frontier
By MIKE ESTERL -- WSJ
AUGUST 20, 2009

Low-fare giant Southwest Airlines Co. suffered a surprise setback last week when it lost a bankruptcy-court auction for Frontier Airlines Holdings Inc. to much-smaller rival Republic Airways Holdings Inc.

Gary Kelly, Southwest's chairman and chief executive, said his airline may take another run at an acquisition. But the Dallas-based carrier isn't ditching its conservative playbook, and any future bid would carry conditions -- even if they cost Southwest the deal, as was the case with Frontier.

"Even Tiger Woods doesn't win every tournament," Mr. Kelly, who has been Southwest's CEO since 2004, said of the loss of Frontier in an interview.

The protracted recession has reversed Southwest's decades-long track record of fast growth and fat profits. Some investors are nervous about Southwest's expansion prospects and a growing number of analysts predict the airline this year could post an annual loss for the first time in 37 years and the second time since its founding in 1971. Helane Becker, a stock analyst at Jesup & Lamont, cut Southwest to a "sell" recommendation Wednesday, citing the company's "slow growth strategy" following Southwest's failed bid of a bit more than $170 million for Denver-based discounter Frontier.

Mr. Kelly declined to forecast if Southwest will make money in 2009 after losses in three of the last four quarters. "I think there's a chance we can grow revenues in 2010 if we assume things don't get worse in the economy," he said.

But he said winning Frontier -- which would have more than doubled Southwest's presence in the Denver market and secured routes to Mexico and Costa Rica -- wasn't worth jeopardizing management-employee relations.(IOW---he got his arse whopped by Bedford)

Southwest refused to drop a contingency clause requiring pilots to first sign off on the takeover to avoid labor conflicts, which resulted in Indianapolis-based Republic -- a company with about 1/30th of Southwest's market capitalization -- being awarded Frontier.

The largest U.S. airline measured by the number of passengers flown, Southwest has mostly avoided acquisitions. It has kept costs lower than other big airlines through a simple operating system that includes point-to-point, domestic-only flights and no meals aboard its all-Boeing 737 fleet. Frontier represented a marked departure as it flies Airbus planes and operates a hub-and-spoke flight system.

For future deals, the 54-year-old CEO said Southwest likely would limit any potential acquisition to an airline going through a bankruptcy restructuring and wants to stick with an all-737 fleet. Large airlines approaching Southwest's size and regional carriers aren't on its radar screen.

"There's definitely a limit to how much risk we take on," said Mr. Kelly, adding that Frontier, whose fleet is one-tenth that of Southwest's, would have been "the right size."

Meanwhile, Southwest has long been aggressive on another front: fare sales. On Tuesday, it began offering one-way domestic flights as low as $59 between Sept. 9 and Jan. 7, an unusually long sale window.

It also has weathered the recession better than large competitors who fly international routes and target premium-class customers -- two areas that have been hit particularly hard in recent months and which Southwest has avoided.

Industry trackers said Southwest could generate hundreds of millions of dollars in new revenue -- and easily stay in the black -- by charging customers for checking in their first and second pieces of luggage, a policy most competitors have adopted.

"It's difficult to justify leaving that money on the table in this revenue environment," said Hunter Keay, an airline analyst at Stifel Nicolaus in Baltimore. Mr. Keay estimated Southwest will finish $70 million in the red in 2009.

But Mr. Kelly also is moving cautiously on that front as management studies implementing the fees. He believes one reason his airline has lost fewer passengers than many rivals is because it hasn't instituted the fees, earning consumer loyalty. He added that the company won't introduce such fees this year.

Mr. Kelly said Southwest also is "seriously considering" flying some of its own 737-700s to Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean. But that wouldn't happen before 2011 "at the earliest," he added. Code-sharing deals with Canada's WestJet Airlines Ltd. and Mexico's Volaris are slated to start next year. (to allow SWA crews time to understand how to fly INTL routes--it will take years)

He estimated there are still about a dozen new U.S. cities the airline can target in addition to expanding market share across its 67-airport network.

Mr. Kelly notes Southwest has launched flights to three new cities this year -- including Boston last Sunday -- without adding to its fleet through optimized scheduling. (think of all of those upgrades had the F9 deal gone through.....oh well)

It will begin flights to Milwaukee in November.


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"Mr. Kelly was noted as saying, "That General Lee dude is ********************ing stuipid.""
 

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You remind me of rush limbaugh or any other pundit. Spinning an overall positive article in an attempt to make it seem negative. But like them- your add-ons tell more about you than the reality of wn.
 

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"Mr. Kelly was noted as saying, "That General Lee dude is ********************ing retarded.""

No he di--int. (wagging my finger in his face) Hey, maybe SWAPA can get a deal done with United and staple them too. That would seriously be FANTASTIC for one group, that feels they are the ONLY group out there.


Oh SNAP! Can I hear everyone yell a "Wut Wut???"

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You remind me of rush limbaugh or any other pundit. Spinning an overall positive article in an attempt to make it seem negative. But like them- your add-ons tell more about you than the reality of wn.

It's called Comedy. Look it up and watch Jay Leno at 10pm Mon-Fri on NBC this Fall..... I didn't leave anything out of the article, just added some spot on commentary. You need to CHILL-LAX.

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Do not feed this troll.
Troll? Wow, that makes me.....kinda.....sad......oh wait, I am over it. Enjoy Midland.

BTW, your Avatar says "Smoking my way to DC." Speaking of DC, you could have had some DCA Reagan National slots had you bought F9 and treated their pilots with some sort of respect......but you didn't. I am not talking about DOH or even relative, but SOMETHING better than a staple. You just couldn't do it.....oh well...


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to allow SWA crews time to understand how to fly INTL routes--it will take years)

What's the deal with "understanding international routes". First time I flew to Mexico I asked the CP if there was anything I should know? Response- "Ummm I think they speak spanish down there." That was about it....
 

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to allow SWA crews time to understand how to fly INTL routes--it will take years)

What's the deal with "understanding international routes". First time I flew to Mexico I asked the CP if there was anything I should know? Response- "Ummm I think they speak spanish down there." That was about it....
Tell that to SWA management.....they don't seem to trust their own pilots it seems....


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Besides UAL who would be willing to deal?
 

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I started flying to Canada and Mexico in an RJ when I was 23 years old. I think the guys at SWA will be well prepared to figure out this "challenging" flying. I don't even call it international.

Honestly, the largest negative I could see to SWA is the additional time it takes for crewmembers and customers to clear customs. Very difficult to do a 30-minute turn when you must clear customs (again, as a regional pilot, we do it all the time). If they build that turn-time into the pairings, then they'll be fine.
 

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No he di--int. (wagging my finger in his face) Hey, maybe SWAPA can get a deal done with United and staple them too. That would seriously be FANTASTIC for one group, that feels they are the ONLY group out there.


Oh SNAP! Can I hear everyone yell a "Wut Wut???"

Bye Bye---General Lee
Yes-

As if further evidence was required...... Gen Lee is completely ********************ing retarded.

(It really is no wonder that no one else stands up for you here-other than your own multiple screen names.)
 
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Besides UAL who would be willing to deal?
Alaska and Airtran are the only things that make sense to me.
Alaska seems pretty cozy with DAL, but Airtran would be a pretty good fit for WN so maybe? Sun Country also comes to mind, but they don't really fly anywhere Southwest couldn't go on their own.

I don't see a lot of possibilities.

My bet is AirTran:

- They'd make a hel.l of a lot of noise in ATL.

- Would be a major player in MKE ( major trouble for Republic).

- Gain DCA access/expand LGA access

-Take out the competition in BWI

- Solidify MCO

- Substantial 737 fleet already in place

- 717's could be replaced with new 737's on order
 

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Keep the 717's and put them on the delayed routes like BOS, DCA, LGA and run them like a hub and spoke. Integrate the 737's into the point to point system...Voila... . Delays are separated from the rest of the system.
 

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Besides UAL who would be willing to deal?

Doug Parker over at USAirways. He's got the aviation equivelant of a 1959 Edsel he's been trying to offload for a few years now with no takers.

PHXFLYR:cool:
 

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GL = jealously.

You talk about fair intergration, let's see one group is in bankruptcy and they want equal seniorty, den base for life, pay and medical for life for the furlougies, not to mention being pay protected and oh yea keeping your job. I think gaps was shooting for the moon.

Now go ahead with your immature rant.
 

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to allow SWA crews time to understand how to fly INTL routes--it will take years)

What's the deal with "understanding international routes". First time I flew to Mexico I asked the CP if there was anything I should know? Response- "Ummm I think they speak spanish down there." That was about it....
Hmmm..methinks your boss has never been to MMMX or MMMY.
 

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Alaska and Airtran are the only things that make sense to me.
Alaska seems pretty cozy with DAL, but Airtran would be a pretty good fit for WN so maybe? Sun Country also comes to mind, but they don't really fly anywhere Southwest couldn't go on their own.

I don't see a lot of possibilities.

My bet is AirTran:

- They'd make a hel.l of a lot of noise in ATL.

- Would be a major player in MKE ( major trouble for Republic).

- Gain DCA access/expand LGA access

-Take out the competition in BWI

- Solidify MCO

- Substantial 737 fleet already in place

- 717's could be replaced with new 737's on order
...and don't forget - Airtran now has ALPA's expert advisor's and expertise to cover their backs during the SLI.
 

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I don't think Southwest/Airtran would happen. If it does though, SWAPA better not even attempt a staple with a successful company like us. My career expectations at Airtran were the hopes of us being the next Southwest or better(im 30 years old, got me 35 more years)....well hopefully not 35.=) Airtran is a successful airline with a quality product and a loyal customer base. It would be very expensive to convert to business class on over 500 planes and still expensive and risky to take business class away from Airtran. For the cost reason I would not imagina a merger/aquisition.
 
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