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SWA Satellite Bases?

BigDave

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I know the FA's at SWA are moving forwarder with satellite base negotiations , is it the same for the pilots?

Also are the pilots going through RNP training yet?

Thanks
 

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As far as I know it is one satellite base (test run). The pilots have no such plans that I have heard of. We have stated the computer based training and book study portions of the RNP.
 

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SWA is only up to training for autothrottles and VNAV, it turns on in Jan 09. Maybe.

Satellite bases for pilots? Nope, and I hope not.

Why? Almost 50% of the pilots commute, if your a commuter, a satellite base NOT where you live will destroy your QOL and pay by taking trips from the domicile, and leaves you with fewer choices, specifically commutable trips. If you live in domicile you will see fewer choices and reduced QOL/pay, no matter your seniority.

Satellites benefit very few, it benefits the company, and should only be approved if the pilots get a payback for the opportunity to take it in the shorts over this issue.
 

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As far as I know it is one satellite base (test run). The pilots have no such plans that I have heard of. We have stated the computer based training and book study portions of the RNP.

really? what's your source of info for this "test run" ?
 

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The view of satellite bases has many sides. One side is reducing hotel costs for the company allowing the employees to keep their wages from under pressure of the economy. COLA is affecting all work groups. The company may be able to reduce hotel costs and keep wages rising with COLA. Whether a worker commutes or not, the benefit to wages is shared.

If you do not commute and want to keep QOL above reducing costs in other areas, wages will eventually be under pressure as other costs rise pressuring lower wages across the board.

Another aspect with satellite bases is circumventing QOL at domicles and contractually agreed upon work rules at the master domiciles. Relief from work rules at the satellite bases could provide wage relief from the contract. Not a good thing for the negotiating capital already spent.

Where one aspect of satellite bases may be a benefit to wages at the company, QOL and work rule adjustments may be more a negative. I work in Midway and commute from a big commuter base. I would like to see more full fledged crew bases as opposed to mini bases. I see an actual crew base reducing hotel costs, however not giving up work rules and QOL issues.

In the long run cost pressures will change the landscape at SWA how it changes will be determined.
 

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Can someone explain what is a satellite base?

The definition varies depending on who you talk to. Generally it's where you would have a "sub" base to your "real" base... for example, you'd be based in Chicago and bid on lines that all start and end in Kansas City (no commute necessary if you live in Kansas City). Sometimes your seniority in Chicago would allow you to hold a Kansas City based line, and sometimes not. Now what you do if a junior person gets "stuck" in a satellite base is up for discussion (like do they get deadhead pay, and a hotel?), and whether you have "base protection" from displacement in satellites makes things complicated. Add in the issue of covering sick calls at a satellite base and your definition can vary some more. Which brings up the question, if you're going to have reserves in a city and all this other "like-a-base-but-not-a-base" stuff, why not just make it a crew base?

I know I didn't really answer your question, but "satellite basing" isn't something that's been done successfully at any large modern airline for an extended period of time, so the concept is still in it's infancy. When people mention "satellite basing," people have many ideas about what they think it is.
 

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There was a survey in the FA's bid packet for the month of Jan.

SATT. Bases are bad for all but a small % of our group. Great for the company though.
 

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Thank you Alcatraz. That answers my question. Now I see why a satellite base sucks for most pilots.
 

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This sounds so familiar. What was that again? ... oh YEAH... Age 65!!

And it [AGE 65] happened....Unfortunately I see this in our future too. Looks like we could get the shaft twice in two years if we are not careful. So much for QOL living in domicile.

I wonder if the 300+ living in SAT and AUS know there will probably only be about 5 or 6 lines to fight over and the other 294 of them will have less to choose from in their commuter city?
 

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I wonder if the 300+ living in SAT and AUS know there will probably only be about 5 or 6 lines to fight over and the other 294 of them will have less to choose from in their commuter city?




Answer no. Look on pprune they are the ones saying satellite bases will have NO effect on the number of lines at base. :) dont shoot the messenger, that is how they think.
 
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Answer no. Look on pprune they are the ones saying satellite bases will have NO effect on the number of lines at base. :) dont shoot the messenger, that is how they think.

I just hope they come to a conclusin so RR will quit wasting ink in the RP.
 

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You guys don't know what you're talking about.

True, there will be only a handful of lines in a "Satellite" city. Nobody will need to worry about being displaced there, as they will go senior. With only a handful of lines, it will not adversely effect the main domicile lines and if anything would likely improve most people's relative seniority due to more senior pilots flying out of the Sat. bases. This has been done before in the past successfully at other carriers. SWA is not inventing anything.

Since I don't know all the particulars of what the CO would offer I can't say if I would support Sat. bases or not, but even though you all obviously don't have a cross-country commute for the foreseeable future like our junior captains and F/O's, please keep an open mind before saying "SAT bases suck!". If done properly, it could be a win/win for everyone involved; company, commuters, and in-domicile types, too.
 

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I know I didn't really answer your question, but "satellite basing" isn't something that's been done successfully at any large modern airline for an extended period of time, so the concept is still in it's infancy. When people mention "satellite basing," people have many ideas about what they think it is.

TWA, PanAm, and to a certain degree, Jetblue with MCO.
 

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If you live in domicile you will see fewer choices and reduced QOL/pay, no matter your seniority.

Satellites benefit very few, it benefits the company, and should only be approved if the pilots get a payback for the opportunity to take it in the shorts over this issue.

Opinion. Do you have facts to back this claim up?
 

Charlie Brown

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I wonder if the 300+ living in SAT and AUS know there will probably only be about 5 or 6 lines to fight over and the other 294 of them will have less to choose from in their commuter city?


Well, if that is true, it would be only 5 or 6 less? What's the big deal with that?
 

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I know the FA's at SWA are moving forwarder with satellite base negotiations , is it the same for the pilots?

Also are the pilots going through RNP training yet?

Thanks


What the he!! does "forwarder" mean?
 
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