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California said:
When you guys are done talking about the bachelor, lets hear some class predictions :-)
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I would like to say June, RNP training is done in May, and if they do not retire the 300s when the 10 new 700 come on line, they will need to staff for those airplanes and routes associated with them.

I am an optimist and just guessing.
 
BigDave said:
I would like to say June, RNP training is done in May, and if they do not retire the 300s when the 10 new 700 come on line, they will need to staff for those airplanes and routes associated with them.
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Phase 3 of RNP is done in April. Phase 4 starts in May and that will last until Dec. SWAPA says that even with the new flight schedule, that starts in May, we are still about 300 pilots overmanned and SWA will have to add about 25 airplanes before that overmanning is solved. My guess is there will be no hiring in 2010, unless SWA suddenly does some rapid expansion.
 
737tanker said:
Phase 3 of RNP is done in April. Phase 4 starts in May and that will last until Dec. SWAPA says that even with the new flight schedule, that starts in May, we are still about 300 pilots overmanned and SWA will have to add about 25 airplanes before that overmanning is solved. My guess is there will be no hiring in 2010, unless SWA suddenly does some rapid expansion.
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Hiring will start in late 2012 or 2013. That is barring any mergers, or a double dip recession.
 
rajflyboy said:
Another deal where that 6 or 8G for a type rating isn't working out too well!!
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I think it's going to work out just fine for him! RB, you should really get over it and move on; you can always interview again, but I have a feeling it will yield the same results.
 
500-600 pilots overmanned right now. You're right colonel. I'm sure SWA will grow 10% from this time last year and grow the fleet by another 50 jets this year. The point is, SWA needs to grow from it's present size by more than 10% just to get the manning right. When is that going to happen? Probably by late 2011 you'll be back up to that level. Then every company out there is going to wait until the last minute to hire in order to "keep their poweder dry." So now we're well into 2012...and then, maybe, barring a merger or double dip recession, you'll get your dream come true. The Bachelor will be on property with you and you can post on flightinfo about how dreamy he is.
 
Tanker Clown said:
500-600 pilots overmanned right now. You're right colonel. I'm sure SWA will grow 10% from this time last year and grow the fleet by another 50 jets this year. The point is, SWA needs to grow from it's present size by more than 10% just to get the manning right. When is that going to happen? Probably by late 2011 you'll be back up to that level. Then every company out there is going to wait until the last minute to hire in order to "keep their poweder dry." So now we're well into 2012...and then, maybe, barring a merger or double dip recession, you'll get your dream come true. The Bachelor will be on property with you and you can post on flightinfo about how dreamy he is.
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We are 250-300 overmanned. With 182 in the pool.
 
737tanker said:
Phase 3 of RNP is done in April. Phase 4 starts in May and that will last until Dec. SWAPA says that even with the new flight schedule, that starts in May, we are still about 300 pilots overmanned and SWA will have to add about 25 airplanes before that overmanning is solved. My guess is there will be no hiring in 2010, unless SWA suddenly does some rapid expansion.
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I think 737tanker has it right. Unless something radically changes, the sims will be used for getting Phase 4 RNP training done. Phase 3 took from Sep until Apr, so Phase 4 should take about the same amount of time. Our schedule ramps up this summer which should temporarily solve our overmanning problem. I think the key things to watch for are 1) do we retire acft as planned or hold on to them, 2) does the economy take an upswing which means more pax flying as well as maybe more 62+ guys feel comfortable with their savings that they start retiring, 3) do we upgrade the guys that were moved back to FOs, and 4) what happens to the flying schedule this fall--it always is reduced from the summer schedule, but will it be a big or small reduction.
Keep those floaties inflated and hopefully the rumors of a couple of classes at the end of the year will be true. My personal guess is that there will be classes around Jan 2011 to prep for the spring/summer flying increase in 2011.
 
Sorry guys but Tanker Clown's numbers are pretty accurate from what I've seen and heard on the line. We can opt to keep or retire 10 Classics this year and seeing as we have about 30-40 spares sitting in the desert not being flown right now, I think it's a safe bet that we will retire all 10 Classics this year. These airplanes aren't condusive to the full up RNP that we are heading toward. Barring someone like US going CH.7 overnight, I don't think we will see a newhire class until sometime in 2012, and that will only be for minor attrition. I hope that I'm completely wrong in my predictions, but so far I haven't seen any evidence that GK is interested in growing this airline unless he is guaranteed a profit almost immediately. Herb would grow the airline and worry about whether it made money after the fact. Gary does just the opposite, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
 
Be careful Saluki. Agreeing with me will make a poolie and a kool-aide chugging junior SWA guy want to murder you. I suggest you delete you post and insert your head into the sand following the lead of the aforementioned groups. That way, you will not insite a poolie kool-aid fueled riot directed at you.
 
Also, I was asking the SWA guys their opinion, not the haters out there their uninformed rants. Thanks to all the SWA folks for the info.
 
Saluki Dawg said:
Sorry guys but Tanker Clown's numbers are pretty accurate from what I've seen and heard on the line. We can opt to keep or retire 10 Classics this year and seeing as we have about 30-40 spares sitting in the desert not being flown right now, I think it's a safe bet that we will retire all 10 Classics this year. These airplanes aren't condusive to the full up RNP that we are heading toward. Barring someone like US going CH.7 overnight, I don't think we will see a newhire class until sometime in 2012, and that will only be for minor attrition. I hope that I'm completely wrong in my predictions, but so far I haven't seen any evidence that GK is interested in growing this airline unless he is guaranteed a profit almost immediately. Herb would grow the airline and worry about whether it made money after the fact. Gary does just the opposite, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
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You and Tanker Tool may be correct, but in Tanker Tools case he's been wrong before and IMHO he'll be wrong again. Bottom line, no one knows for sure what will happen, but Tanker Tool likes to believe he does. Poolies, hang in there as it is well worth the wait! Gotta go find some more sugar for my kool-aid.
 
rajflyboy said:
Another deal where that 6 or 8G for a type rating isn't working out too well!!
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Not all type ratings cost 6 or 8 G's. Mine for example cost $0.

While there are quite a few here who did go out a buy a type....there are also quite a few here who paid what I paid for that type....$0

I guess it all evens out in the end ...but assume that everyone here bought a type....is incorrect.
 
Quick possibly dumb question for the experts here.
I just got back in the saddle after 13 months of furlough and
picked up a SIC type. On the application it asks for a/c that you are typed
in. Is this for only PIC types? This SIC thing on my certificate is new to me.
I haven't dug into the applications instructions yet but will on my next update.
Hoping to join the SWA club one day.......
Thanks,
Z.
 
Moon-dog said:
Also, I was asking the SWA guys their opinion, not the haters out there their uninformed rants. Thanks to all the SWA folks for the info.
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Hey moondick:
Maybe you can do some more of those "man favors" to pony up the $$ to pay for that type!:laugh::laugh:
 

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