Swa Pool

[Daddy]

How many a/c are they taking delivery of in 2009?

Doesn't really matter as they are shedding an indefinite number of aircraft at the same time and no one seems to know what the net will be. A stone cold guess is as good as any with all that is going on this year...sorry dude.

 

[SELFloadingCRGO]

The poolie-letter accompanying the current LuvLines says WN will train its rehires in April, with maybe a few shallow-end poolies filling the classes. It then goes on to say no new classes until early fall, then steady training through the end of the year. WN predicts 150-200 hired for 2008.

Continued good luck to all in the pool.

You better be careful posting something like that, jke406 and a few others will accuse you of drinking too much kool-aid...


SLC

 

[huronip]

How many a/c are they taking delivery of in 2009?

The company says 29 new deliveries and getting rid of 22 for a net of 7.

 

[TXDanno]

You better be careful posting something like that, jke406 and a few others will accuse you of drinking too much kool-aid...


SLC

Grasshopper,

what does the goldfish say?

...glub, glub, glub...

 

[THEPRFCT10]

More info...

Heard from 2 very reliable sources (Capt Upgrade and Chief Pilot) that SWA really only expects a handful i.e. not all 40 some of the 60+ guys to go thru with everything for training. Maybe 10 give or take a few. BUT, they still are planning on 3 classes in April, so maybe some poolies will start to dry off! PD told me to call on 15 Mar. I'll let you know what they say.

 

[WNC Flyer]

10-15 makes more sense... Those guys must really really love to fly SWA or they really really really need some cash!

 

[zippy32]

Word out of the training center this week is that only 24 of the 60+ guys were re-hired. They don't expect all 24 to accept training in April. Those that do will have to complete the full training course that all new hires go through. Good luck poolies.

 

[johnnyV]

Hang in there y'all!

Yes, it is well worth the wait. Even on its worst day it is better than flying a desk. I am in my fourth year & it has screamed by. Now flying great schedules & enjoying easier trips. Only 1 complete horses ass in 4 years. A navy S3 prick out of Oakland who loves to beat up on probbies. PM me when you get a date & I will gladly fill you in. The feeling is that many of the geezers won't hang around for much of the 1st year misery (compared to the fantastic life they were leading).

Best of luck.

JV

 

[AlbieF15]

JV,

How long until you could hold left seat based on best SWAPA guess?

 

[johnnyV]

Swapa projector says 4/2014. Hired 1/2005 shortly after prepping with you (thanks). As fluid as things are around here, could be from 2010 til 20??.

Happy to be here but optimistically looking forward.

JV

 

[Falconjet]

Johhny: Any chance you can tell what the projector would say had you been hired in, oh I don't know, Apr of 2004? Just curious.

Thanks.

FJ

 

[AlbieF15]

Johhny: Any chance you can tell what the projector would say had you been hired in, oh I don't know, Apr of 2004? Just curious.

Thanks.

FJ

Looking over your shoulder can always be painful...

I think you and I are a long way from 4 stripes...but I'll bet you'd have been no closer at SWA.

Not saying its got the best pay or benefits, but the guys who went to CAL the last 3-4 years are probably the winner of the "quick upgrade" lottery. The LCCs have really slowed hiring, and Delta, United, and NWA still have a looong wait (using todays numbers anyway...)

Sorry to hijack the thread...

 

[Falconjet]

I'm afraid you are right about the upgrade Albie. I'm not worried about it, and I must be in the minority of airline pilots because upgrade times were not a primary concern of mine (and still isn't).

I figured that it would happen when it happened, and I just wanted to work for a good company flying planes, and the upgrade would come in due time. I truly am happy to be here, and am doing better than I ever really imagined I would.

Hiring at SW was going pretty good in 04-05, so I would guess that the upgrade for an Apr 04 hire might be a year ahead of Johhny V's, or sometime in 2013.

I had figured an upgrade at SW in year 9, which would have been around 2012. I was trying to be very conservative back then (at both carriers) but I certainly hadn't figured on the age change. It appears I was at least in the ballpark now that the age has changed.

Simply an academic exercise. I have no (or very few, and only on really bad days) second thoughts about the way things turned out.

FJ

 

[RedDogC130]

It is not even showing an upgrade dat for Jan 07 hires. Guess I will be an FO for life. I am planning on a 10-12 year upgrade. If it is less, then I will be happy. I just hope we get a pay scale out to that long with increased percentages with long upgrades. Times are not like in 1994 with the old contract.

 

[AlbieF15]

I predict one byproduct of long upgrade times will be higher FO attrition to other carriers and also out of the industry. Probably not so much at SWA, but a guy who'd got 10 years to wait at DAL or 10 years to wait at UAL might decide to give up 1 year or 2 to increase quality of life and/or reduce commuting. Other guys will inevitably find some side careers become more lucrative than mainline careers and exit somewhere along the way. That attrition will be lower at higher paying carriers (FDX, SWA, UPS, etc) but much higher at the LCCs. I know quite a few folks leaving jetblue these days...including some 190 captains. A few have gone to other carriers, and one I know just punted the industry completely.

So...while the list in front of you may not shrink much, I do think we'll see some attrition along the way..