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THEPRFCT10 said:
958 posts ago, this thread was meant to keep the poolies informed on class dates, etc. There's nothing wrong with being anxious and optimistic at the same time. I admit I am one of those folks.
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900 posts ago, I was the anitchrist for trying to inject some reality into the dialog, and Tanker Clown was a buffoon.

Now, I am in the pool mainstream for injecting reality into the dialog...and Tanker Clown is still a buffoon.
 
No- you still have a negative slant that few appreciate. I can hear the info w/o the drama involved. There have been pools before- there will be pools later- It's not that southwest hasn't faced challenges before- it's that they have the employee groups to handle them. Stay even-keeled and your swim will go a lot better. So will your career. Think Big-Picture- don't sweat the details.
 
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it's all relative brother- growing up in darfur right now sucks...Being female and having a mustache sucks- being turned down and having to wait a year to re-apply to find out the pool of people they DID hire will be > a year- that sucks more than being in the pool... How about a friend of mine that got furloughed every time he had just upgraded- 3 times- 3 types- 345 hours PIC- not even qualified for airtran- yet every bit as good as me...
just chillax a bit- you're lucky and good-= staying up on every curveball the airlines throw at you will make you retarded... I don't like kool-aid anymore than you- i just don't automatically call my sit negative b/c of it.
 
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Tanker Clown said:
Thanks for the promotion...but I don't think O-6 will be in the cards. I'm more fond of my family than I am my job.
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Actually its more like E-1....
I heard the colonel is screaming you forgot the paper with his morning coffee!
Run along now, plenty of pencils to be sharpened!:laugh:

737
 
Any thoughts on how this probable merger of NWA and Delta will affect SWA? It seems that these two companies operate domestically in different regions than SWA, and the merger wouldn’t adversely affect them too much.

I really want to hear someone put a positive spin on it that results in all the poolies being hired by July! My kool-aide is running low.
 
WNC Flyer said:
Any thoughts on how this probable merger of NWA and Delta will affect SWA? It seems that these two companies operate domestically in different regions than SWA, and the merger wouldn’t adversely affect them too much.

I really want to hear someone put a positive spin on it that results in all the poolies being hired by July! My kool-aide is running low.
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Just be glad that you aren't a DAL/NWA merger kool-aide drinker. Someone pooped in that kool-aide. Looks like that one's dead for now. Maybe SWA will buy Delta now.
 
Heard today that the only hiring for remainder of 2008 will be the retreads.

Expect to drain the pool, plus some, in 2009.
 
navigatro said:
Heard today that the only hiring for remainder of 2008 will be the retreads.

Expect to drain the pool, plus some, in 2009.
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40 something retreads + the 36 from the Jan & Feb classes totals 76. A net growth of 7 jets. 11 pilots per jet = 77 newhires. Looks like that's it for now.
 
That's it.... barring future news.... Guys - they weren't dumb when they interviewed you... but things change- and guess what- when they change for the better- it'll happen just as quick-
Even-keel, brethren, Even-keel.
 
The poolie-letter accompanying the current LuvLines says WN will train its rehires in April, with maybe a few shallow-end poolies filling the classes. It then goes on to say no new classes until early fall, then steady training through the end of the year. WN predicts 150-200 hired for 2008.

Continued good luck to all in the pool.
 
FCNelson said:
How many a/c are they taking delivery of in 2009?
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Doesn't really matter as they are shedding an indefinite number of aircraft at the same time and no one seems to know what the net will be. A stone cold guess is as good as any with all that is going on this year...sorry dude.
 
TXDanno said:
The poolie-letter accompanying the current LuvLines says WN will train its rehires in April, with maybe a few shallow-end poolies filling the classes. It then goes on to say no new classes until early fall, then steady training through the end of the year. WN predicts 150-200 hired for 2008.

Continued good luck to all in the pool.
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You better be careful posting something like that, jke406 and a few others will accuse you of drinking too much kool-aid...


SLC
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Heard from 2 very reliable sources (Capt Upgrade and Chief Pilot) that SWA really only expects a handful i.e. not all 40 some of the 60+ guys to go thru with everything for training. Maybe 10 give or take a few. BUT, they still are planning on 3 classes in April, so maybe some poolies will start to dry off! PD told me to call on 15 Mar. I'll let you know what they say.
 
Word out of the training center this week is that only 24 of the 60+ guys were re-hired. They don't expect all 24 to accept training in April. Those that do will have to complete the full training course that all new hires go through. Good luck poolies.
 
Hang in there y'all!

Yes, it is well worth the wait. Even on its worst day it is better than flying a desk. I am in my fourth year & it has screamed by. Now flying great schedules & enjoying easier trips. Only 1 complete horses ass in 4 years. A navy S3 prick out of Oakland who loves to beat up on probbies. PM me when you get a date & I will gladly fill you in. The feeling is that many of the geezers won't hang around for much of the 1st year misery (compared to the fantastic life they were leading).

Best of luck.

JV
 
JV,

How long until you could hold left seat based on best SWAPA guess?
 
Swapa projector says 4/2014. Hired 1/2005 shortly after prepping with you (thanks). As fluid as things are around here, could be from 2010 til 20??.

Happy to be here but optimistically looking forward.

JV
 
Johhny: Any chance you can tell what the projector would say had you been hired in, oh I don't know, Apr of 2004? Just curious.

Thanks.

FJ
 
Falconjet said:
Johhny: Any chance you can tell what the projector would say had you been hired in, oh I don't know, Apr of 2004? Just curious.

Thanks.

FJ
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Looking over your shoulder can always be painful...

I think you and I are a long way from 4 stripes...but I'll bet you'd have been no closer at SWA.

Not saying its got the best pay or benefits, but the guys who went to CAL the last 3-4 years are probably the winner of the "quick upgrade" lottery. The LCCs have really slowed hiring, and Delta, United, and NWA still have a looong wait (using todays numbers anyway...)

Sorry to hijack the thread...
 
I'm afraid you are right about the upgrade Albie. I'm not worried about it, and I must be in the minority of airline pilots because upgrade times were not a primary concern of mine (and still isn't).

I figured that it would happen when it happened, and I just wanted to work for a good company flying planes, and the upgrade would come in due time. I truly am happy to be here, and am doing better than I ever really imagined I would.

Hiring at SW was going pretty good in 04-05, so I would guess that the upgrade for an Apr 04 hire might be a year ahead of Johhny V's, or sometime in 2013.

I had figured an upgrade at SW in year 9, which would have been around 2012. I was trying to be very conservative back then (at both carriers) but I certainly hadn't figured on the age change. It appears I was at least in the ballpark now that the age has changed.

Simply an academic exercise. I have no (or very few, and only on really bad days) second thoughts about the way things turned out.

FJ
 
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It is not even showing an upgrade dat for Jan 07 hires. Guess I will be an FO for life. I am planning on a 10-12 year upgrade. If it is less, then I will be happy. I just hope we get a pay scale out to that long with increased percentages with long upgrades. Times are not like in 1994 with the old contract.
 
I predict one byproduct of long upgrade times will be higher FO attrition to other carriers and also out of the industry. Probably not so much at SWA, but a guy who'd got 10 years to wait at DAL or 10 years to wait at UAL might decide to give up 1 year or 2 to increase quality of life and/or reduce commuting. Other guys will inevitably find some side careers become more lucrative than mainline careers and exit somewhere along the way. That attrition will be lower at higher paying carriers (FDX, SWA, UPS, etc) but much higher at the LCCs. I know quite a few folks leaving jetblue these days...including some 190 captains. A few have gone to other carriers, and one I know just punted the industry completely.

So...while the list in front of you may not shrink much, I do think we'll see some attrition along the way..
 

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