SWA plane shown skidding off runway.

[shootr]

Yeah,

Southwest likes ending up on 55th and killing innocent people driving by, so he tried to swerve.

Nice...

 

[BRA]

Classy,

The '96 crash had nothing to do with the crew.

You went back to the 70's & 80's to support your argument, including 1 example prior to WN even operating.

Look, I don't work for either carrier. Each airline has a culture, and a track record to go with it.

Is name calling really necessary?

Old post I made a few years ago but fun, look at number 10:

I think this is what the playbook looks like with this topic:

1) attack the pay rates even if they are 1 dollar lower per hour.
2) if they resolve that then attack the retirement.
3) if the above is resolved attack them if they are non-union.
4) Next attack the cities they fly to if less desirable than your airline.
5) Having trouble? Next attack the fleet type if it is older than what your place has.
6) Go after the CEO.
7) If it all looks solid dig into the airlines history. Target any past pay for training type arrangements. (If you are dealing with a SWA joker happy about his employment- go after the pay for type rating deal)
8) If all the ducks are still in a row go after the attractiveness and age of FA's.
9) Research scab and strike history- you may find opportunities here. Go back 30-40 years if you have to.
10) Look at accident history-this is fair game even if the accident happened as far back as the Carter administration.
11) Consider an argument about upgrade time.
12) Simply make up something and see if you can slip one past the goalie. Make it look like fact by adding numbers/percentages to it.
13) Still nothing working? go after the spelling. Words such as "there" and "your" will always yield you an opportunity. Caution: use spell check when doing this- type it on a word document first-then drop the hammer.

I think the above is how it works after reading these boards for about 10 years now. You will not win here. Whatever you do, make sure you don't have any past posts from years ago that reveal you were trying to get hired at the airline you are slamming, someone always has the time to dig for hours checking past posts. Go back and delete these or register a new user name to get the job done.

 

[Quimby]

Old post I made a few years ago but fun, look at number 10:

I think this is what the playbook looks like with this topic:

1) attack the pay rates even if they are 1 dollar lower per hour.
2) if they resolve that then attack the retirement.
3) if the above is resolved attack them if they are non-union.
4) Next attack the cities they fly to if less desirable than your airline.
5) Having trouble? Next attack the fleet type if it is older than what your place has.
6) Go after the CEO.
7) If it all looks solid dig into the airlines history. Target any past pay for training type arrangements. (If you are dealing with a SWA joker happy about his employment- go after the pay for type rating deal)
8) If all the ducks are still in a row go after the attractiveness and age of FA's.
9) Research scab and strike history- you may find opportunities here. Go back 30-40 years if you have to.
10) Look at accident history-this is fair game even if the accident happened as far back as the Carter administration.
11) Consider an argument about upgrade time.
12) Simply make up something and see if you can slip one past the goalie. Make it look like fact by adding numbers/percentages to it.
13) Still nothing working? go after the spelling. Words such as "there" and "your" will always yield you an opportunity. Caution: use spell check when doing this- type it on a word document first-then drop the hammer.

I think the above is how it works after reading these boards for about 10 years now. You will not win here. Whatever you do, make sure you don't have any past posts from years ago that reveal you were trying to get hired at the airline you are slamming, someone always has the time to dig for hours checking past posts. Go back and delete these or register a new user name to get the job done.

Most accurate info ever posted.

 

[flint4xx]

Yeah,

Southwest likes ending up on 55th and killing innocent people driving by, so he tried to swerve.

Real class. I'm sure Josh Woods appreciates it.

 

[wscrj]

Bra, you should just bundle that as a FI for dummies.

Nice levity to an otherwise stupid thread.

 

[SplitBar]

Bottom line is slow down folks. All airlines, especially SWA, could have prevented an accident or two somewhere down the road had being in a rush to get done not have been a contributing factor.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Looks like he landed too far down the runway. There's no shame in a go-around (unless you screw it up).

 

[dustrpilot]

Maybe going for the "greaser"? It always drove me nuts when someone would go for the roller on a short runway, float halfway down the runway then slam on the brakes to stop it.
Short runways, just land the thing

 

[spacecadet1]

Actually looks like a normal landing and roll-out for SW. Hauling ass around the turn.

 

[LiveFreeorDie]

Bill

The one fatality in the Midway accident was from the kid chocking to death on a McNugget. It wasn't from impact with the aircraft.

There were lots of factors in that crash. The tail wind was higher than reported, the runway condition was worse than reported, and the thrust reversers got jammed thus delaying there deployment.

The FO on that plane was severely traumatized from the whole incident...he is F#up in the head now from guilt over the whole incident...even though in my opinion any of us in his shoes would have had a similar result had we landed in his airplane on that day.

But I guess you are bullet proof, infallible, and never ever could see yourself in a similar situation. And hell with a narcissistic, over the top ego like yours you could probably easily handle killing a kid and feeling no remorse..

So why don't you STFU

 

[weasel_lips]

The one fatality in the Midway accident was from the kid chocking to death on a McNugget. It wasn't from impact with the aircraft.

Southwest Airlines Flight 1248 (WN1248, SWA1248) On December 8, 2005, the airplane slid off a runway at Chicago-Midway while landing in a snowstorm and crashed into automobile traffic, killing six-year-old Joshua Woods.

The NTSB preliminary report has determined that the aircraft touched down in the touchdown zone of the runway with 4,500 feet of its 6,522-foot (1,988 m) length remaining; under the prevailing conditions of weather, wind, speed, and weight, the aircraft needed 5,300 feet of runway to stop safely.[5]

A preliminary NTSB advisory says: "The flying pilot (Captain) stated that he could not get the reverse thrust levers out of the stowed position. The first officer, after several seconds, noticed that the thrust reversers were not deployed, and activated the reversers without a problem. Flight data recorder information reveals that the thrust reversers were not deployed until 18 seconds after touchdown, at which point there was only about 1,000 feet of usable runway remaining." [3]
The 737 skidded during landing; subsequently, witnesses said the nosegear collapsed, the aircraft crashed into a barrier wall surrounding the airport, and came to rest on South Central Avenue just south of the 55th Street intersection at the northwestern corner of the airport. The intersection was full of traffic, and the airplane hit at least three cars, killing a six-year-old boy named Joshua Woods, critically injuring five occupants of one car (two adults and three children), and seriously injuring four occupants of a second car. All were quickly taken to area hospitals. Three passengers from the aircraft were taken to hospitals with minor injuries. Twelve people were taken to hospitals after the incident. Another of the cars hit was parked and unoccupied.[6]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Airlines_Flight_1248

 

[BornAgainPagan]

The one fatality in the Midway accident was from the kid chocking to death on a McNugget. It wasn't from impact with the aircraft.

There were lots of factors in that crash. The tail wind was higher than reported, the runway condition was worse than reported, and the thrust reversers got jammed thus delaying there deployment.

The FO on that plane was severely traumatized from the whole incident...he is F#up in the head now from guilt over the whole incident...even though in my opinion any of us in his shoes would have had a similar result had we landed in his airplane on that day.

But I guess you are bullet proof, infallible, and never ever could see yourself in a similar situation. And hell with a narcissistic, over the top ego like yours you could probably easily handle killing a kid and feeling no remorse..

So why don't you STFU

Getting your news from supermarket tabloids are ya?

 

[Quimby]

Looks like he landed too far down the runway. There's no shame in a go-around (unless you screw it up).

How exactly did you determine where they touched down from that video?

Straight from the NTSB report.

Integration of the FDR data shows that the aircraft landed within 500 feet of the runway
threshold as shown in Figure 6 and Figure 7.

 

[canyonblue]

Yeah,

Southwest likes ending up on 55th and killing innocent people driving by, so he tried to swerve.

Hope you are happy that you just jinxed your Airline into a upcoming bad outcome. Lets hope it doesn't happen. Rule one of Pilot Club, We don't talk about other Airlines contretemps.

 

[LiveFreeorDie]

Southwest Airlines Flight 1248 (WN1248, SWA1248) On December 8, 2005, the airplane slid off a runway at Chicago-Midway while landing in a snowstorm and crashed into automobile traffic, killing six-year-old Joshua Woods.

The NTSB preliminary report has determined that the aircraft touched down in the touchdown zone of the runway with 4,500 feet of its 6,522-foot (1,988 m) length remaining; under the prevailing conditions of weather, wind, speed, and weight, the aircraft needed 5,300 feet of runway to stop safely.[5]

A preliminary NTSB advisory says: "The flying pilot (Captain) stated that he could not get the reverse thrust levers out of the stowed position. The first officer, after several seconds, noticed that the thrust reversers were not deployed, and activated the reversers without a problem. Flight data recorder information reveals that the thrust reversers were not deployed until 18 seconds after touchdown, at which point there was only about 1,000 feet of usable runway remaining." [3]
The 737 skidded during landing; subsequently, witnesses said the nosegear collapsed, the aircraft crashed into a barrier wall surrounding the airport, and came to rest on South Central Avenue just south of the 55th Street intersection at the northwestern corner of the airport. The intersection was full of traffic, and the airplane hit at least three cars, killing a six-year-old boy named Joshua Woods, critically injuring five occupants of one car (two adults and three children), and seriously injuring four occupants of a second car. All were quickly taken to area hospitals. Three passengers from the aircraft were taken to hospitals with minor injuries. Twelve people were taken to hospitals after the incident. Another of the cars hit was parked and unoccupied.[6]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Airlines_Flight_1248

I get my information from the people at the scene, not idiot news reporters. The kid died of asphyxiation, not blunt trama. Southwest didn't go around saying the kid died because no one gave him the Hiemlich, that would have been classless.

But either way any pilot who gloats over a class A is an @$$hole

 

[airmack]

Looked like a normal Southwest Taxi to me....

 

[Jetjockey]

MDW, like SNA and BUR are challenges, even on good days. Wait until you try in 737-800's. You will think the 737-500 was a light twin compared to the screaming high approach speeds of the bigger 737s.

Be careful out there boys and girls.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Looks like I tapped a nerve.

Very sorry SWA Pilots. All I stated was a fact. Too bad you kids can't shake that legacy

 

[SWA Bubba]

Looks like I tapped a nerve.

Very sorry SWA Pilots. All I stated was a fact. Too bad you kids can't shake that legacy

Actually, that's not what you did. You started with a fact, and then couched it in insulting sarcasm in order to take a cheap shot. Pretty much like you always do. Standard Bill Lumberg M.O.: You pop your head up every now and then, fire off a cheap shot, usually at SWA, then retreat back to your hole like a petulant, impotent child. Very classy. Your mother must be so proud.

Bubba

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Too bad she passed away years ago, I'm sure she shared your sentiments and well wishes.

Petulant? Childish? Sounds like way SWAPA has been treating the AT pilots.....the irony!