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Nice move at the end.

That was not a skid. That was a turn to avoid the wall.



http://www.thefreedictionary.com/skid

Skid definition:

1. To slide sideways while moving because of loss of traction: The truck skidded on a patch of ice. See Synonyms at slide.
2. To slide without revolving: wheels skidding on oily pavement.
 
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Slide, skid... I think you are arguing semantics here. The question is why did he not continue straight on into the collapsible concrete overrun? The whole point of that part of the runway is to stop the airplane quickly and without allowing it continue past.
 
Yeah,

Southwest likes ending up on 55th and killing innocent people driving by, so he tried to swerve.
 
Kill anyone lately Bill

  1. 31 July 1973; Delta Air Lines DC9-31; Boston, MA: The aircraft landed short of the runway in poor visibility, striking a sea wall about 165 feet (50 m) the right of the runway centerline and about 3000 feet (914 m)short All six crew members and 83 passengers were killed. One of the passengers died several months after the accident.

  2. 2 August 1985; Delta Air Lines L1011-1; Dallas, TX: The aircraft crashed shortly before landing after encountering a wind shear from a passing thunderstorm. Eight of the 11 crew members and 128 of the 152 passengers were killed. One person in a passing car was also killed.
  3. 31 August 1988; Delta Air Lines 727-200; Dallas-Fort Worth Airport, TX: The aircraft stalled and crashed on takeoff due to the flaps not being properly set by the flight crew. Two of the seven crew members and 12 of the 101 passengers were killed
  4. 21 August 1995; Delta Connection (Atlantic Southeast Airlines) Embraer Brasilia; near Carrolton, GA: As the aircraft was climbing through 18,000 feet, the left propeller shed a blade and the propeller would not feather. The crew was unable to maintain altitude and diverted to a nearby airport. The airplane hit trees and crashed about 5 miles (8 km) southeast of the airport and was destroyed by fire. One of the three crew members and seven of the 26 passengers were killed.
  5. 6 July 1996; Delta MD-88; Pensacola, FL: During the takeoff, the left engine sustained an uncontained failure, causing pieces of the engine to penetrate the cabin, killing two of the 137 passengers.
    NTSB Report Abstract NTSB Full Report
  6. 9 January 1997; Delta Connection (Comair) Embraer Brasilia; near Monroe, MI: The aircraft was en route to Detroit Metro Airport from Cincinnati when it crashed shortly before dusk in a field about 20 miles (32 km) south of the airport. According to various news reports, the aircraft spiraled into the ground and was destroyed by the impact and subsequent fire. The weather at the time was overcast with snow, visibility 1.5 miles (2.4 km), and light winds. The flight crew did not have any unusual communications with air traffic control prior to the crash. All three crew members and 26 passengers were killed.
    NTSB Report Abstract NTSB Full Report
  7. 27 August 2006; Delta Connection (Comair) CRJ-100; Lexington, KY: The aircraft was on a scheduled domestic flight from Lexington, KY to Atlanta, GA. The aircraft crashed shortly after takeoff, about one half mile (800 m) from the end of the departure runway. The event occurred shortly before sunrise, and there was no reported precipitation at the time of the event. The aircraft took off on a shorter runway that is typically used by smaller private aircraft rather than the airport's main runway.
    Two of the three crew members and all 47 passengers were killed.
    Fatal events Canadair CRJ aircraft
    Fatal events with a sole survivor
 
Any of those from being in a hurry? Seems some Airlines should spend more time doing the job at hand....some have enough time to make smarmy comments on the radio......especially DEN.......
 
Pretty weak argument. 4 of the 7 involved other companies.

Are you going to put the Valuejet crash on WN now?



  1. 31 July 1973; Delta Air Lines DC9-31; Boston, MA: The aircraft landed short of the runway in poor visibility, striking a sea wall about 165 feet (50 m) the right of the runway centerline and about 3000 feet (914 m)short All six crew members and 83 passengers were killed. One of the passengers died several months after the accident.

  2. 2 August 1985; Delta Air Lines L1011-1; Dallas, TX: The aircraft crashed shortly before landing after encountering a wind shear from a passing thunderstorm. Eight of the 11 crew members and 128 of the 152 passengers were killed. One person in a passing car was also killed.
  3. 31 August 1988; Delta Air Lines 727-200; Dallas-Fort Worth Airport, TX: The aircraft stalled and crashed on takeoff due to the flaps not being properly set by the flight crew. Two of the seven crew members and 12 of the 101 passengers were killed
  4. 21 August 1995; Delta Connection (Atlantic Southeast Airlines) Embraer Brasilia; near Carrolton, GA: As the aircraft was climbing through 18,000 feet, the left propeller shed a blade and the propeller would not feather. The crew was unable to maintain altitude and diverted to a nearby airport. The airplane hit trees and crashed about 5 miles (8 km) southeast of the airport and was destroyed by fire. One of the three crew members and seven of the 26 passengers were killed.
  5. 6 July 1996; Delta MD-88; Pensacola, FL: During the takeoff, the left engine sustained an uncontained failure, causing pieces of the engine to penetrate the cabin, killing two of the 137 passengers.
    NTSB Report Abstract NTSB Full Report
  6. 9 January 1997; Delta Connection (Comair) Embraer Brasilia; near Monroe, MI: The aircraft was en route to Detroit Metro Airport from Cincinnati when it crashed shortly before dusk in a field about 20 miles (32 km) south of the airport. According to various news reports, the aircraft spiraled into the ground and was destroyed by the impact and subsequent fire. The weather at the time was overcast with snow, visibility 1.5 miles (2.4 km), and light winds. The flight crew did not have any unusual communications with air traffic control prior to the crash. All three crew members and 26 passengers were killed.
    NTSB Report Abstract NTSB Full Report
  7. 27 August 2006; Delta Connection (Comair) CRJ-100; Lexington, KY: The aircraft was on a scheduled domestic flight from Lexington, KY to Atlanta, GA. The aircraft crashed shortly after takeoff, about one half mile (800 m) from the end of the departure runway. The event occurred shortly before sunrise, and there was no reported precipitation at the time of the event. The aircraft took off on a shorter runway that is typically used by smaller private aircraft rather than the airport's main runway.
    Two of the three crew members and all 47 passengers were killed.
    Fatal events Canadair CRJ aircraft
    Fatal events with a sole survivor
 
I wonder why these modern transport jet running out of runway problems keep happening at Midway? :rolleyes:
 
Because it, like SNA, is a GA airport that morphed.
 
The first ever fatal 737 accident recorded happened at MDW, and it was years before SWAs existance (United Airlines 553).

MDW is a tough airport......no matter what brand is flying.
 
Pretty weak argument. 4 of the 7 involved other companies.

Are you going to put the Valuejet crash on WN now?

Have it your way dumb@ss

31 July 1973; Delta Air Lines DC9-31; Boston, MA: The aircraft landed short of the runway in poor visibility, striking a sea wall about 165 feet (50 m) the right of the runway centerline and about 3000 feet (914 m)short All six crew members and 83 passengers were killed. One of the passengers died several months after the accident.


  1. 2 August 1985; Delta Air Lines L1011-1; Dallas, TX: The aircraft crashed shortly before landing after encountering a wind shear from a passing thunderstorm. Eight of the 11 crew members and 128 of the 152 passengers were killed. One person in a passing car was also killed.
  2. 31 August 1988; Delta Air Lines 727-200; Dallas-Fort Worth Airport, TX: The aircraft stalled and crashed on takeoff due to the flaps not being properly set by the flight crew. Two of the seven crew members and 12 of the 101 passengers were killed
  3. 6 July 1996; Delta MD-88; Pensacola, FL: During the takeoff, the left engine sustained an uncontained failure, causing pieces of the engine to penetrate the cabin, killing two of the 137 passengers.
 
Classy,

The '96 crash had nothing to do with the crew.

You went back to the 70's & 80's to support your argument, including 1 example prior to WN even operating.

Look, I don't work for either carrier. Each airline has a culture, and a track record to go with it.

Is name calling really necessary?
 
When it comes to accidents, NOBODY'S hands are clean.
 
Look, Midway, Burbank, Orange Co.; these runways are too short. Close em or lengthen the damn things.
 
For a while there NWA averaged one run off a year during the winter. Mostly Lansing the last 10 years off and on. lol
 
Classy,

The '96 crash had nothing to do with the crew.

You went back to the 70's & 80's to support your argument, including 1 example prior to WN even operating.

Look, I don't work for either carrier. Each airline has a culture, and a track record to go with it.

Is name calling really necessary?

Old post I made a few years ago but fun, look at number 10:

I think this is what the playbook looks like with this topic:

1) attack the pay rates even if they are 1 dollar lower per hour.
2) if they resolve that then attack the retirement.
3) if the above is resolved attack them if they are non-union.
4) Next attack the cities they fly to if less desirable than your airline.
5) Having trouble? Next attack the fleet type if it is older than what your place has.
6) Go after the CEO.
7) If it all looks solid dig into the airlines history. Target any past pay for training type arrangements. (If you are dealing with a SWA joker happy about his employment- go after the pay for type rating deal)
8) If all the ducks are still in a row go after the attractiveness and age of FA's.
9) Research scab and strike history- you may find opportunities here. Go back 30-40 years if you have to.
10) Look at accident history-this is fair game even if the accident happened as far back as the Carter administration.
11) Consider an argument about upgrade time.
12) Simply make up something and see if you can slip one past the goalie. Make it look like fact by adding numbers/percentages to it.
13) Still nothing working? go after the spelling. Words such as "there" and "your" will always yield you an opportunity. Caution: use spell check when doing this- type it on a word document first-then drop the hammer.

I think the above is how it works after reading these boards for about 10 years now. You will not win here. Whatever you do, make sure you don't have any past posts from years ago that reveal you were trying to get hired at the airline you are slamming, someone always has the time to dig for hours checking past posts. Go back and delete these or register a new user name to get the job done.
 
Old post I made a few years ago but fun, look at number 10:

I think this is what the playbook looks like with this topic:

1) attack the pay rates even if they are 1 dollar lower per hour.
2) if they resolve that then attack the retirement.
3) if the above is resolved attack them if they are non-union.
4) Next attack the cities they fly to if less desirable than your airline.
5) Having trouble? Next attack the fleet type if it is older than what your place has.
6) Go after the CEO.
7) If it all looks solid dig into the airlines history. Target any past pay for training type arrangements. (If you are dealing with a SWA joker happy about his employment- go after the pay for type rating deal)
8) If all the ducks are still in a row go after the attractiveness and age of FA's.
9) Research scab and strike history- you may find opportunities here. Go back 30-40 years if you have to.
10) Look at accident history-this is fair game even if the accident happened as far back as the Carter administration.
11) Consider an argument about upgrade time.
12) Simply make up something and see if you can slip one past the goalie. Make it look like fact by adding numbers/percentages to it.
13) Still nothing working? go after the spelling. Words such as "there" and "your" will always yield you an opportunity. Caution: use spell check when doing this- type it on a word document first-then drop the hammer.

I think the above is how it works after reading these boards for about 10 years now. You will not win here. Whatever you do, make sure you don't have any past posts from years ago that reveal you were trying to get hired at the airline you are slamming, someone always has the time to dig for hours checking past posts. Go back and delete these or register a new user name to get the job done.

Most accurate info ever posted.
 
Bra, you should just bundle that as a FI for dummies.

Nice levity to an otherwise stupid thread.
 
Bottom line is slow down folks. All airlines, especially SWA, could have prevented an accident or two somewhere down the road had being in a rush to get done not have been a contributing factor.
 
Maybe going for the "greaser"? It always drove me nuts when someone would go for the roller on a short runway, float halfway down the runway then slam on the brakes to stop it.
Short runways, just land the thing
 
Bill

The one fatality in the Midway accident was from the kid chocking to death on a McNugget. It wasn't from impact with the aircraft.

There were lots of factors in that crash. The tail wind was higher than reported, the runway condition was worse than reported, and the thrust reversers got jammed thus delaying there deployment.

The FO on that plane was severely traumatized from the whole incident...he is F#up in the head now from guilt over the whole incident...even though in my opinion any of us in his shoes would have had a similar result had we landed in his airplane on that day.

But I guess you are bullet proof, infallible, and never ever could see yourself in a similar situation. And hell with a narcissistic, over the top ego like yours you could probably easily handle killing a kid and feeling no remorse..

So why don't you STFU
 
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