Swa Pft

[SWA/FO]

Hey Clown,

We don't fly 6 legs a day. We go coast to coast baby!! Non-stop!! You gota LUV that?

 

[juan2go]

6 legs a day

Come on guys. All this chatter. Let's get the facts straight.

8-9 legs a day average. Captains make 120k/yr, fo's 55k/yr (not including stock options). Schedules are 11 days off per month (if you're senior). Oh, and nobody is happy.

Finally the truth about what it's really like at Southwest. Why would anyone want to work there when you have AWA and so many other great places to work.

Well, I better go. I only have one day off this week and I have to walk down to the laundymat to wash the one shirt that I have for my six day trip.

regards,

juan

 

[canyonblue]

An AWA pilot talking about pay and QOL?

I doubt he is a pilot for AWA. He is more likely AW Experss ie: MESA. His post's are so pro Mesa they make me vomit. I doubt that any AWA pilot would be praising Mesa the way this buffon does.....

from the Regional board................

Obviously you can see the company who is continuing to hire (pilots too ), purchase new equipment, prosper, succeed, expand route structure, aquire other companies (Midway), etc, etc, etc. It would have sucked to have seen Mesa try and bail these guys out since in reality ACA probably could have brought Mesa right down the gutt(a) with em.

I have yet to meet an AWA guy that is this gleeful over Mesa. On top of it the guy is voting for Kerry!!! 350DRIVER take a hike. And put EXPRESS on your avatar.

 

[350DRIVER]

canyonblue,

As of late quite a few Mesa guys have moved on to HP, ATA, and others. I hear a few have also even ended up at your Greyhound? I have no ties to Mesa other than a good friend being a check airman there that was in my upgrade class doing 135 a long time ago. Pro-Mesa? I think I was simply "posting" factual data that is currently taking place.



I think furloughfodder said it best in a previous thread, your group is truly a "class act".

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[SMMustang]

If you are considering getting a 73 type, get hired by SWA first.

I got a type and then got hired elsewhere first and the type did me nothing really.

I also know someone who got the type and interviewed twice and never hired at SWA, what good is his type rating doing him.

Before you go get the type, think about what happens if you don't get hired there.

That said, had I been hired by SWA first, I probably would still be there and singing their praises. Same as if I'd been hired by some other top carrier.

But, I do have a 73 type that I'll never use.

 

[canyonblue]

I have no ties to Mesa

Where do you have ties then? Enlighten us SWA pilots on the Nirvana we are missing out on.

 

[Snoopy58]

Okay, everyone here who paid more than $1 for the training to get your commercial or instrument or ATP, please raise your hand.

Okay, congratulations, all of you paid more for your training than many pilots at SWA did for their 737 type ratings... thanks to either a little jet called the T-43, or a now-defunct airline called Vanguard.

I'll believe that SWA is "PFT" when someone explains to me how my buddy in newhire training, an ex-AF T-43 pilot, paid for his type rating. Until then, I really have strong doubts.

(BTW, a 737 type with zero time IS worth something -- I know of at least one pilot who got paid to fly rightseat in a BBJ while he waited for his class at SWA. Granted, pre-9/11 & before the present pilot surplus, but it was an extra income for him.)

 

[350DRIVER]

Before you go get the type, think about what happens if you don't get hired there.

Or go elsewhere to a company that does not require the type to be bought at the applicant's expense if you do not want to take such a gamble, fortunately they are the only airline that requires this. A type with no time in type means very little if anything if plan A does not work out.


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[350DRIVER]

or a now-defunct airline called Vanguard.

And most likely thanks to the d.o and asst. if you were once Vanguard then more than likely you are now at Frontier.


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John - what is the number up to now? Great group of guys.

 

[canyonblue]

Hey 350! I'm waiting for your answer!.................

 

[SWA/FO]

Hey Canyonblue,

Did you close on your new vacation house in PHX yet?

Hey 350,

I guess when SWA told me "we want you in class...go get your type" I should have stood up to them and said "What? your offering me a job which the company has never furloughed, a quick upgrade and an excellent schedule .....nah, I think I'll pass, because somebody on flightinfo.com might think this is pft "

By-the-way, SWA did not have to borrow money from the government to stay in business.

 

[flint4xx]

Best $6000 if ever spent. Helluva a return on my investment.

 

[Indapool]

yup d@mn thing cost me $6,000
It took me my ENTIRE FIRST MONTH on the job to make that
Boy did I get screwed

 

[bobbysamd]

SWA 737 type and P-F-T

P-F-T is an employment issue only. You can apply a two-prong test when analyzing a possible P-F-T program:

1. If a company hires you but as a condition of employment requires you to pay for its training of you to do its work, it is P-F-T.

2. If, after considering No. 1, the training provided is esoteric to that company only and does not lead to a certificate, rating or operating privilege which is acceptable outside the company and can be marketed elsewhere, it is P-F-T.

Prong No. 1 is the primary test of P-F-T.

After applying this test, the B737 requirement at Southwest is not P-F-T. Yes, Southwest requires you to possess a 737 type to be considered for pilot employment, but does not require you to pay for its FAA-required initial line training of you as a condition of hire. Therefore, SWA, and its 737 hiring requirement, is not P-F-T.

Someone above summed it up the best; a 737 type earned at another company at its expense fulfills this Southwest Airlines hiring qualification. Although many people buy 737 types because they want to work at Southwest, that comment alone negates any assertion that the 737 type rating requirement at Southwest is P-F-T.