Swa Pft

[johnnyV]

Johnny- Congratulations for getting off the Government teet! [/B][/QUOTE]

Not getting off, just easing up on the suckling. Retirement should be great.

JV

 

[DAL737FO]

Now, of course this is just my opinion, I consider PFT to be when a company wants you to cover their costs of training YOU for a job for THEM up front with no type rating or any tangible benefit other than you get a job (once you pay for it). I will provide examples:

1. A flight department requires a King Air B-350 Type rating and 10+ years of experience with 1000 hr min in type. (Is it PFT or not? it requires a type and time in type just for the interview)

2. A flight department has an immediate need for a Challenger Captain and Co-Captain. A&P license is a plus. Only applicants with Challenger experience need apply. (Is it PFT or not? It does not require a type but it does require time in type)

3. A company requires you to sign a training contract to cover their expenses if you leave before a certain time. You pay nothing up front. (Is it PFT or not? No money changes hands to the company to train you for a job)

4. A company interviews you and offers you a conditional job. The one condition is that you go out to a company of your choice and get a type? (Is it PFT or not? You do not pay anything to the company offering you a job)

5. A company offers you an interview if you are willing to enter in a training program that they run followed by a job with no type rating if you are willing to pay $10,000. (Is it PFT or not? You are now paying to have the honor of sitting in the right seat of an aircraft)

I'm putting on a flak jacket and K pot, waiting for the incoming.

 

[flx757]

Any of you who believe that SWA is PFT, answer me one question. I have a 737 type. Paid for by a previous employer. It cost me not one nickel of my own money. I meet all their qualifications, and could apply if I were so inclined.

How is this PFT?

PFT is when a company requires you to pay THEM for their FAA approved training program, which they would normally have to provide, and for which YOU bear the cost. It's that simple. Anyone twisting SWA's requirement for a 737 type rating into PFT is WAY off.

That's my opinion. Again, I could take my 737 type rating to SWA tomorrow. A type rating that didn't cost me anything. So, tell me again. This is PFT how???????????

 

[FL717]

Again, I could take my 737 type rating to SWA tomorrow.

You're going to SWA tomorrow?!?!?! Just wait 'til the guys find out about this on the (NPA) union website! LOL!

How's it going buddy? Thought i would hijack this thread for some quick personal BS....

Call me tomorrow on my cell phone and give me the latest Carvin scoop.

Take care.

And now we return back to the originally scheduled PFT banter....

 

[SWA/FO]

You have to have your 737 type when you show up for class.

Once you show up for class SWA pays you while you are in training and they even pay for the hotel. I know my buddies at Delta (when they were not furloughed) had to rent rooms from people in ATL - money out of their own pockets.

Fact - the Morris Air pilots got typed from SWA for free. Fact - all SWA instructors get the type for free. Fact - if you don't have the type your not in class at SWA and/or flying the line. Is it the 20th, yet $$$$

 

[juan2go]

350DRIVER

You do have a "tad bit of class". And that is about all.

A buddy of mine just went to SWA after close to 15 years at AWA.
I guess he just wasn't classy enough to hang with you "classy" pilots anymore.

juan

 

[The_Russian]

350 driver

350 hates anyone who isn't him. Glad you have so much class "buddy", you make up for the other 499,999 of us who aren't "real" pilots. SWA guys have my respect. They are great people with great attitudes. Thanks for keeping the dirty side down SWA boys and girls.

 

[350DRIVER]

A buddy of mine just went to SWA after close to 15 years at AWA.

I guess he saw the move to be in his best interest for what reasons I have no idea, but you can be assured that you will not be seeing many 15 year guys jumping ship to start all over again at the bottom of another carrier. If my memory serves me correct quite a few of the guys jumped from SWA to DAL/UAL in the 90's. I am sure there is more than meets the eye on this one. Why would a 15 year captain leave any airline for that matter? I shall patiently await your response.

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[The_Russian]

SWA.....

Also, SWA is NOT PFT. The definition of the term does not match the request from the airline, it's just a requirement for hire.

 

[350DRIVER]

350 hates anyone who isn't him. Glad you have so much class "buddy", you make up for the other 499,999 of us who aren't "real" pilots. SWA guys have my respect. They are great people with great attitudes. Thanks for keeping the dirty side down SWA boys and girls.

Not really, I have met many from this board and have kept in contact with them over the years. I just tend to agree with the majority on this board that renting a right seat out at GIA for 250 hours is not going to look extremely good down the line when you go to interview. Nothing more and nothing less...


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didn't bobbysamd send you a private message?

 

[Crizz]

Thanks for the meaningful discussion, and subsequent hijack. Entertaining as always.

350 - what is the significance of your sig anyways?

 

[The_Russian]

HA!

But.... there are a few of us in the industry that possess just a tad bit of "class" and self respect and would avoid SWA at all costs. Just compare this pilot group with the pilots from other carriers, big big difference.

You said it yourself. This had nothing to do with GIA. I just stumbled upon your arrogance.

 

[flint4xx]

Just compare this pilot group with the pilots from other carriers, big big difference.

Just what does that mean? Do you compare races, religions, sexes etc. so flippantly? You are a buffoon.

 

[350DRIVER]

Just what does that mean? Do you compare races, religions, sexes etc. so flippantly? You are a buffoon.

PAY, QOL, average legs per day, equipment, destinations, etc, etc, .. It has nothing to do with what you injected into the thread as much as I am sure you would like to turn it into a race/religion issue.



Moline may not be too bad though ehhh?



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[SWA/FO]

An AWA pilot talking about pay and QOL?

AWA may as well be called UPS or Fed Ex...I mean what is going on with all that night flying? Red Eyes, anyone?

Pay? get real. Check out our 401 match.

Glad you're happy. When I was jumpseating, I met a lot Captain's at AWA that said "I just sent my stuff into Dallas".

Sure people left SWA for the Legacy Carriers, but I have never heard of anybody leaving SWA for AWA...sorry.

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

350 just pulled his post about how "low" SWA pay was. He must have studied up and realized that 2nd year SWA = 5th year AWA.

 

[flint4xx]

Then you should have compared contracts, not pilots.

My last three day trip I flew six legs TOTAL. Commutable on both ends. I'm on track to make well into six figures on fourth year pay, and I rarely work extra. All that and they are going to give me a 13% raise this year too. And we ALL get to share the profit.

Tell me again how bad I have it.

linky

 

[Caveman]

SWA is not quite PFT, but it is PFT Lite. There is no reason to require a 73 type when the company is required to train you regardless. If the requirement were the type and 500 hours in the 737 it would make more sense as an indicator of pertinent experience.

The type requirement does a couple of things. First, it almost eliminates the possibility of a training failure therefore reducing SWA's training costs. Second, it lowers the companies insurance by having two typed pilots up front. So, SWA does pass off some of their normal expenses to the new hires.

Somehow, in my mind SWA's policy doesn't quite meet the PFT litmus test, but it is a bit distasteful, particularly when they are the only company that requires it. However, it's their airline and they can do what they want.

I can't help but wonder how much of the acceptance of SWA's policy is based on the quality of the employment. For example, would conventional wisdom be as kind to a regional that required a CRJ type prior to getting hired.? Are we giving LUV a pass because it's such a good job that it's worth it to bend the PFT rules a little bit?

 

[canyonblue]

However, it's their airline and they can do what they want.

Exactly, I feel the same way about the Augusta National Golf Club. But try explaining that to Martha Burke. Maybe she will take on SWA next to get them to drop the Type since we don't allow Non-Type rated pilots to join the club.

 

[potrack]

SWA 737

Great company but to each his own.

Some wanna pay for the type to fly 737s 6 legs a day for the next 25 years.

Some don't.

There is something to make everyone happy.