swa new jet?

[flyingitalian]

lowecur.
you sold this as being "good" for the pilot group. Im simply stating that its not. I love it when outsiders look at WN group and say "yea they get along and have built an 800 lb gorilla." That does not mean we bend over and take it. We do work together and have a good relationship but make no mistake our biggest asset is the fact that we do ALL the flying, we are all paid the same, we can all fly all aircraft (except for 200, but its your choice not to fly it) and we have good scope protection.

We make money with a 60% load factor. We will not "replace" 500s, or 200s with similar seat aircraft because we would rather not have anything other than 137 seats. We have those aircraft because of buying opportunities in the past, and we started with the 200.

727s ran east west with pilots based in Dallas, starting and ending all trips with a DH. The put 149 seats so they would only have 3 FAs, but would put 4 in on fri and mon. Engineers were mechanics that were trained as engineers, and when they ran out of them they hired engineers with no other promise of employment. When they decided to get rid of the 727 they offered every engineer the opportunity to be a part of the pilot work force even if they were not qualified. Some took a leave for a year to get pilot training and then came back to WN and the company typed them in the 737 and they were on their way.

Everyone wants to point to seat mile cost, but ignores the real cost of running two types of aircraft. When you add the second type you have to have a second pilot force, second bidding process, second scheduling process, train pilots between two aircraft types, second training process including simulators, instructors, fleet manager, second maitenance training, parts inventory, ground training for workers, second jetway procedures, second set of FAA requirements..... and the list goes on and on. Here is an example of our simplicity. Jetway operators pull the jetway straight back about 4 feet. When I first got here I thought geeze thats not very far. Think about it if you have one type of aircraft and the ramp and pilots work together to put that same aircraft in the same spot all you do is pull straight back and forth of dock and un dock. A small example, but there are thousands of them that add up to WNs success.

The fact that WN has non of these is why we make money. It would have to be quite a good deal for WN to stray from the 737.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Lowecur,

Thanks. 21% is pretty significant. It would also fit SWA's tradition of increasing frequencies into a market.


Everyone,

Sorry that opening my pie hole is offending, but I don't think any of us can anticipate what will happen more than 12 months lead time (if that) and I find the speculation interesting.

Southwest will emphasize its use of one aircraft type or whatever corporate identity it has until the very day it announces a change. They like to keep news under raps. An airline's strength nowadays is small size or flexibility.

Do we really doubt the rise of smaller jets? Regionals are getting more planes and mainlines are getting smaller. Who has a decent order on big planes? ATA, Airtran, SWA, and Continental have 737 orders. How about widebodies??

 

[ultrapilot]

The REAL story on LOWECUR!

Stop feeding this poster! Every time you reply to ANY post that “Lowecur” makes you feed it! Look back at all the post Lowecur has made and you will see that he is either someone in management, a salesman, or an employee of EMB trying to make any and everyone that will listen think that those are the greatest aircraft ever made for any flying purpose. WRONG!

Anyone with common sense well see through him and stop any thread that he replies to right there. Stop taking his flame bait. Every time you answer some bait he has put out he probably sits there and laughs at you for taking it while he thinks up something else for you to bite on. And then other members laugh at you for replying to his bait. Only we can stop him under his current name from agitating other board members.

Skip his replies, do not quote him, do not answer him and maybe eventually he will get tired of posting air and bring this board back to it’s original purpose of helping people instead of trying to name drop an aircraft that HE thinks someone should purchase.

 

[Snoopy58]

Ultra,

Concur.

The guy posts on Yahoo also trying to make EMB look like the greatest thing since sliced bread. Lots of great sounding "facts" and "analysis" that looks really cosmic, until someone posts a reality check. I had about 3/4 of a page of specific reasons his thesis is out to lunch on another thread, and he skipped all but a couple points (and he was wrong on those, too).

He did admit, though, that the airline that has announced ONE new city in the last 2 years would have to DOUBLE the size of their route structure for his arguments to have any validity. You judge that one for yourself.

The guy is a clown.

Snoopy.

 

[lowecur]

ultralite

Wow, if you can't carry on a discussion then just throw stones. I guess the reason I'm receiving such attention is your team hasn't come up with very many valid points.

This is a conspiracy, huh? You're right on two of the three. I'm in management, and I'm a salesman. The problem with your thesis is that I'm in the Insurance Business, not an employee of WN. I'd would luv to work for ERJ also, but I'm too old to go looking for another job and I don't speak the language.

Let me ask you, is your last name McCarthy, and did you have a relative named Joe?

 

[lowecur]

snoopy58

The parrot spokesman.

Over on Yahoo looking for ammo? Find any? Tell me Snoop, care to go over that realty check again? I didn't think so.

I think anyone with a brain can figure out that bringing the EMB 175/190 will make the whole airline better. Here's the PRO's of the change.

1. Better profit margins allowing company infrastructure to con-
tinue to flourish. Large profit sharing checks.
2. Put more pilots to work.
3. Allow existing 737 captains to maintain current contract well
into the future.
4. Install a 2nd pay scale for 175/190, and allow existing FO's to
bid for 175/190 Captain seats or wait for opening on 737.
5. Company stock is again considered a "growth stock", as stock
options for recent hires and new hires becomes meaningful.

Here's the CON's of staying the current path.

1. Flat to descending profits as costs continue to rise in the next
few years.
2. The goose that laid the golden egg will be strangled by the
continued addition of 737's to the fleet. Higher pilot costs will
cause the company to approach SWAPA for "give backs."
3. Company stock will face a reality check as the stock price of 38
times earnings will fade to 20 times earnings. Couple that with
lower earnings, and you have a stock price in the single digits.

Need I say more? Look for the order.

 

[Indapool]

Its not the idea of SWA getting smaller jets that is bothering everyone as much as it is the constant flapping of your man pleaser.

Best post I've ever read

 

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