SWA Makes emergency landing in Yuma AZ

[BILL LUMBERG]

Number five.....

hmmm.....all Southwest......

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

700? eh Gup?

Well, you can always supply numbers on FI but making them truthful is a whole other story.....

Lessee....Dallas L1011 200+, Dallas 727...13, Pcola MD-88....1......

Fuzzy math Gup.....

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

This back and forth is ridiculous. The crew safely got the plane on the ground. And you wonder why the race to the bottom is so fast. Zero unity when it comes to our occupation. Kudos to the crew and to those that bite their collective tongues with irresponsible comments.

Crew did a Super job......no Question!

Does the Maintenance Management do theirs? That's THE question...

Nothing irresponsible about asking it.....

 

[Amish RakeFight]

700? eh Gup?

Well, you can always supply numbers on FI but making them truthful is a whole other story.....

Lessee....Dallas L1011 200+, Dallas 727...13, Pcola MD-88....1......

Fuzzy math Gup.....

He's probably lumping in LEX and other partners to up his total.

 

[GuppyWN]

No, actually I can't add. The formatting of the columns I was using threw me off. I was indeed off by several hundred but none the less the number is 100's fold more than SWA with MANY more total events.

My bad.

Gup

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Ok gup....

I hear ya......point taken

 

[Lear70]

To the person who reported one of the posts in here, I don't see it as a ToS violation, but since it *DID* start a SWA/AAI discussion, I'm not going to moderate it one way or another, although I'd be tempted to remove it simply because it's not germaine to the discussion of the 737 hull problems.

CLR or OWW will have to decide. Just wanted you to know we weren't ignoring you, just feel like I can't moderate it now that it's turned in an SLI direction.

/mod

 

[GuppyWN]

To the person who reported one of the posts in here, I don't see it as a ToS violation, but since it *DID* start a SWA/AAI discussion, I'm not going to moderate it one way or another, although I'd be tempted to remove it simply because it's not germaine to the discussion of the 737 hull problems.

CLR or OWW will have to decide. Just wanted you to know we weren't ignoring you, just feel like I can't moderate it now that it's turned in an SLI direction.

/mod

Thanks Lear. Or the tattle tail could man up and PM one of us or just air it out like Bill and I do! We have a spat a couple times a year, call each other scumbags and move on.

Right Bill?

Back on topic... looks like the NTSB has stated that the sin cracks could not have been found without Eddy Current testing - which was not required or even recommended.

Now that 737 operators know what to look for I'm sure the likelihood of this happening again are slim.

Gup

 

[B727Driver]

From the NYT Business Day:

A Boeing engineer said Tuesday that the company had projected a longer lifespan for the skin and the supporting joints of its older 737 jetliners and was surprised that serious cracks developed on one Southwest Airlines plane last Friday.
Richter, a chief engineer for the older Boeing 737 models, said the plane maker had expected the parts to last 60,000 cycles of takeoffs and landings before cracks might form, while the jet that developed the hole on Friday had only 39,000 cycles. Southwest had done nothing wrong in maintaining the plane, Mr. Richter said.

Maybe it is a Boeing thing.

 

[waveflyer]

Right Gup-
It's amazing how many on here run to the mods- seriously ... Be grown ups a d work it out--

 

[Lear70]

Thanks Lear. Or the tattle tail could man up and PM one of us or just air it out like Bill and I do! We have a spat a couple times a year, call each other scumbags and move on.

Right Bill?

Heh heh... actually the reporter wasn't a SWA OR a AAI pilot, just someone reporting the SLI spin the thread started to take. Not that I blame him, I'm getting tired of SLI in every single SWA or AAI thread myself, but it's on everyone's minds, so it's to be expected I guess. Such is FlightInfo life.

Either way, I just ignore it and move on. At least the thread got back on track... glad to know it's not going to be a huge ongoing fleet issue and that hopefully the -300's will be back in the air again soon. Get a good screening/checking program for the new issues in place and onward we go. :beer:

(yes, I know the beer thing drives you crazy, couldn't resist). :nuts:

 

[GuppyWN]

All -300's have been inspected and returned to service. SWA will operate a full schedule tomorrow.

Gup

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Yeah Gup ....Guilty as charged! :0

It's all entertainment....anybody taking it further needs to just relax and realize this website doesn't make your world go round as much as some would like it to!

 

[SWA/FO]

So Bill you now believe what we were saying about Boeing?

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Hey F/O,

If they only find cracks on SWA birds then no...

If they find them elsewhere, then I will let this die and quit jumping the conclusion train.

Sorry man....

 

[ASADFW7]

Hey Bill the collective ass of SWA is getting sore, you gave us herpes, and you forgot to pay the bill, what else do you have for us?

 

[ivauir]

http://blog.seattlepi.com/aerospace...racks-showed-up-much-sooner-than-anticipated/

 

[embpic1]

There is a video with the section of the plane that failed on a table. It looks like it was just cut out of the plane. Are they going to write off this airframe?

 

[DieselDragRacer]

There is a video with the section of the plane that failed on a table. It looks like it was just cut out of the plane. Are they going to write off this airframe?

After a little fiberglass cloth, fiberglass resin and some polyurethane paint it will be good as new.

 

[Lear70]

After a little fiberglass cloth, fiberglass resin and some polyurethane paint it will be good as new.

*snicker*

There is a video with the section of the plane that failed on a table. It looks like it was just cut out of the plane. Are they going to write off this airframe?

Sheet metal repair like this is done all the time. From the pictures, it was just the sheet metal that was removed. They'll put new sheet metal on at the rivet joints, seal it, repair the interior, do several pressurization cycles, inspect the rest of the airplane for stress during the rapid-D descent, and put it back into service.

Maybe 2-3 days out of service, a week tops unless they find damage in the inspection if it was stressed during the descent.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Hey Bill the collective ass of SWA is getting sore, you gave us herpes, and you forgot to pay the bill, what else do you have for us?

Hey ASA,

You might want to get your wife looked at also.....

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Hey ASA,

You might want to get your wife looked at also.....

:laugh: :laugh:


jjjjj

 

[ASADFW7]

Bill, she is pregnant, did you do that too?

 

[redflyer65]

Bill, she is pregnant, did you do that too?

Easy ASA, Delta is the best airline in the history of aviation...

except for a bankruptcy and some issues called scope. Not sure what that's all about. But the best, really.

 

[KigAir]

*snicker*



Sheet metal repair like this is done all the time. From the pictures, it was just the sheet metal that was removed. They'll put new sheet metal on at the rivet joints, seal it, repair the interior, do several pressurization cycles, inspect the rest of the airplane for stress during the rapid-D descent, and put it back into service.

Maybe 2-3 days out of service, a week tops unless they find damage in the inspection if it was stressed during the descent.

Will they wipe the oxygen masks with alcohol before putting them back?

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

At least you are coming to your senses. We (all legacies) were the top while y'all were bottom feeding. Better chance of us regaining our historical spot than you maintaining your short time in the sun.

Easy ASA, Delta is the best airline in the history of aviation...

except for a bankruptcy and some issues called scope. Not sure what that's all about. But the best, really.

 

[GuppyWN]

At least you are coming to your senses. We (all legacies) were the top while y'all were bottom feeding. Better chance of us regaining our historical spot than you maintaining your short time in the sun.

By short you mean the past decade?

Where'd that come from?

Gup

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Bill, she is pregnant, did you do that too?

If he comes out with a Big Unit??? Guilty as charged my friend!!!!imp:

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

LIKE I SAID....SWA Problem....

Lufthansa Advised Southwest on Reducing 737 Maintenance Costs: UNITE HERE Calls for FAA Investigation of Program that Touted Fewer Checks





Press Release Source: UNITE HERE On Thursday April 7, 2011, 7:00 am

CHICAGO--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- In 2005, Lufthansa Technik helped Southwest Airlines migrate their Boeing 737 maintenance program to a new model that promised to be good for business. In a press release, Lufthansa wrote, “The significant reduction in the number of maintenance tasks results in savings of up to 30 percent on maintenance costs, with less time in the hangar corresponding to extra revenue-earning flying hours.”


After a hole ripped through the cabin of a Southwest Boeing 737-300 flying over Arizona last week, such proclamations ought to cause pause.


While the FAA has ordered a review of the agency’s older plane inspections, the union UNITE HERE today called on the FAA to also review how cost-reduction programs such as those pushed by Lufthansa pose risks to proper execution of existing FAA standards.


Last Friday’s incident is not the first cause for concern from Southwest since the airline instituted the revamped maintenance program with Lufthansa Technik. In 2008, the FAA sought civil penalties against Southwest for “flying planes that were not inspected for cracks.” Nicholas A. Sabatini, the agency's associate administrator for aviation safety at the time, said in the Washington Post, "The FAA is taking action against Southwest Airlines for a failing to follow rules that are designed to protect passengers and crew.”


Lufthansa Technik had a long relationship with Southwest, dating at least back to a 2001 project to revamp Southwest’s maintenance management. Lufthansa Technik still listed Southwest as a client as late as 2009

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Actually, we took our raping in 2004-2006 timeframe. So, via a bankruptcy judge you have had about half a decade at top. How do you think your rates would stack up had your mgmt. not made a highly successful fuel hedging bet? My guess is middle of pack. Don't get me wrong, I am glad you guys were able to piggy back on our 2000 rates and more importantly hang on to them the last 5 years. Gives us a target.

By short you mean the past decade?

Where'd that come from?

Gup